• areyouevenreal@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    I think you’re confusing social democracy with market socialism.

    In market socialism the working class owns the businesses they work for, possibly in conjunction with the government or their customers. There are no people who became shareholders by buying shares, and starting a business doesn’t mean you get to own all of it. It’s essentially a society where all businesses are worker co-ops.

    It has nothing to do with a social safety net. In practice one would probably exist anyway, but it’s not a strict requirement of this sort of system like it is in social democracy. Technically you wouldn’t have to have free universal healthcare either.

    It helps to know that the definition of socialism I am using is based on the marxist one: a society where the workers own the means of production.

    Edit: Profit still exists in this system but it’s shared more or less equally between the workers of that business. This means workers actually have a concrete incentive to work well, not just the vague possibility of a promotion. It also means you will probably see less short term profit making and less overwork hopefully.

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      8 months ago

      How do you get your initial capital to start the co-op? Like you can’t have investors, so is every worker required to buy in the the initial venture?

      By the way you are entirely free to structure companies this way under a social democracy

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        8 months ago

        By the way you are entirely free to structure companies this way under a social democracy

        You can set that up in any capitalist society, not just social democracy. It even happens in the US. That’s one of the major advantages of worker co-ops. It’s not true socialism though unless every business is run that way. I don’t really want social democracy. I want real socialism.

        As for funding I am not sure. Real worker co-ops must get funding from somewhere I would look into that. In a full market socialist economy the government could have a role in that. After all the current scheme of needing Capital to start a business isn’t fair at all.