One of my family members had a bad headache recently. They had two doctor appointments, a CT scan and MRI, then awaiting results had to go to hospital. Another MRI and CT plus a lot more tests and scans. Next day top neurologist comes in and determines likely MS. A week in hospital later, all the drugs like steroids, immunity boosters, the IV stuff for staying off food for a few days, etc. then off to a neurology clinic for more tests and scans, MS confirmed. Treatments start in 3 months. In the meantime a bunch of vaccinations and immunity boosters, including blood work having to go off to another country for some reason to be tested…
So far, $250—aboit $160USD—and a chunk of that was actually an acupuncture session before first doctor. They’re going onto another state system that makes specialised treatments and tests fully covered because of their diagnosis, so they can be conducted precautionary even when a doctor thinks it’s unnecessary but would like peace of mind.
That’s for life. Any money spent now will be optional care. But most quality of life things related are covered, like if they need carer at any point at home or occupational therapy for work. Obviously normal physical or psychological therapy is covered too.
This is what we get in exchange for 2% of our taxable income each year. Socialism is just the worst.
Edit: Oh, forgot to mention… The state will actually be giving them money each month too to cover micro-costs that may be related. Kind of like a pension or allowance for small-ticket stuff they don’t need to track or declare. Also, their symptoms are mild and they’re expected to live quite the normal and long life.
I am from Europe and know nothing about this. But someone once told me that this would sound like a bigger issue than it actually is. Because you would just need a good job at one of the top companies and then you would get insurance that covers basically all and everything without any extra expenses.
So since I am a programmer I should not worry about these things.
Edit: Since it was not clear, I don’t really believe that.
European too here, but I can make a safe assumption.
Depending on how bad it can get, unless you are a top percentage you will have financial medical issues. Maybe a good paying job can help when its something more minor, but everything can happen in life and if you have quite the nasty emergency you will regardless end up in dept.
To put it into perspective, one of the leading causes of death in the US is preventable diseases. Many Americans can’t afford to see a doctor to get stuff checked out, nor do they get sick days or could afford to take the time off if they do, so they just keep working and hope it goes away.
Their advice basically boils down to “just have a senior level position in a well-paying field, and you’ll be fine.” As a programmer, you might be screwed right now with the massive layoffs currently ripping through the tech sector.
If someone told you to just use Windows on your computer, b/c it will take care of you, would you listen?
There is some truth to both statements, but in any capitalist society it behooves one to be aware, since many people and especially corporations will try to take advantage of ignorance.
As a highly paid professional this is bullshit. Most insurance plans in the u.s. are costing more and covering less every year. They have introduced all sorts of fun things make it more brutal. Evaluating a companies insurance plan has become a critical exercise in evaluating any job offer. Some major companies offer shit benefits packages.
Things they have done:
Raised deductables: The insurance basically pays nothing until the deductible is met. In many plans, this is $4,000+. I have seen them as high as $10,000.
Increased out-of-pocket maximums. This is the maximum amount a person can pay in a year. These are important for chronic illnesses or serious accidents etc. it used to be $4000 in a year for a family. Now I see plans that have $8,000. as the maximum.
Decreases the percentage they pay. When I started working a most “good” insurance plans would pay 90% of the bill. Now 80% is the standard with many “bad” plans only offering to pay 50 or 60%.
Limit medical networks that they do business with. You want to see a Dr or specialist who is not in your network. You are fucked.
What has the government done? Introduced the HSA plan. Basically you can save money out of you paycheck tax free to pay for all these ballooning costs. The plan just happens to be an investment plan in the stock market with high fees and lots of money for Wall Street.
even with insurance, in the US you can easily lose absolutely everything you own to a medical emergency.
insurance just gets you in the front door so they can tell you later how very fucked you are.
I know a guy that realized it was better for his family financially to just kill himself rather than pursue cancer treatments. go usa.
One of my family members had a bad headache recently. They had two doctor appointments, a CT scan and MRI, then awaiting results had to go to hospital. Another MRI and CT plus a lot more tests and scans. Next day top neurologist comes in and determines likely MS. A week in hospital later, all the drugs like steroids, immunity boosters, the IV stuff for staying off food for a few days, etc. then off to a neurology clinic for more tests and scans, MS confirmed. Treatments start in 3 months. In the meantime a bunch of vaccinations and immunity boosters, including blood work having to go off to another country for some reason to be tested…
So far, $250—aboit $160USD—and a chunk of that was actually an acupuncture session before first doctor. They’re going onto another state system that makes specialised treatments and tests fully covered because of their diagnosis, so they can be conducted precautionary even when a doctor thinks it’s unnecessary but would like peace of mind.
That’s for life. Any money spent now will be optional care. But most quality of life things related are covered, like if they need carer at any point at home or occupational therapy for work. Obviously normal physical or psychological therapy is covered too.
This is what we get in exchange for 2% of our taxable income each year. Socialism is just the worst.
Edit: Oh, forgot to mention… The state will actually be giving them money each month too to cover micro-costs that may be related. Kind of like a pension or allowance for small-ticket stuff they don’t need to track or declare. Also, their symptoms are mild and they’re expected to live quite the normal and long life.
I think it’s funny, you can get free cancer treatment by the gov in fucking Brazil, but not the US… Such a balanced country amirite?
Insurance and medical care for my wife with another autoimmune disease has been as high as 30% of our income.
She started a union job with better negotiated insurance. It’s down to 10% of our income now.
I am from Europe and know nothing about this. But someone once told me that this would sound like a bigger issue than it actually is. Because you would just need a good job at one of the top companies and then you would get insurance that covers basically all and everything without any extra expenses. So since I am a programmer I should not worry about these things.
Edit: Since it was not clear, I don’t really believe that.
Up until recently it was absolutely possible to have good health insurance and still go bankrupt because of costs not covered 100% by insurance.
Affordable care act set limits on what is called the “Out of pocket maximum”
Per plan year that legally allowed maximum will be something like $20,000, which is still enough to knock out most people. To make matters worse, those legal limits are going up for some bullshit reason, but wages are not going up enough to match. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/aca-maximum-out-of-pocket-limit-is-growing-faster-than-wages/
insurance has a profit motive here in the united states. insurance companies only make money when they cause human suffering by denying claims.
we in the US have decided businesses are allowed to hurt people for profit.
European too here, but I can make a safe assumption.
Depending on how bad it can get, unless you are a top percentage you will have financial medical issues. Maybe a good paying job can help when its something more minor, but everything can happen in life and if you have quite the nasty emergency you will regardless end up in dept.
To put it into perspective, one of the leading causes of death in the US is preventable diseases. Many Americans can’t afford to see a doctor to get stuff checked out, nor do they get sick days or could afford to take the time off if they do, so they just keep working and hope it goes away.
Their advice basically boils down to “just have a senior level position in a well-paying field, and you’ll be fine.” As a programmer, you might be screwed right now with the massive layoffs currently ripping through the tech sector.
If someone told you to just use Windows on your computer, b/c it will take care of you, would you listen?
There is some truth to both statements, but in any capitalist society it behooves one to be aware, since many people and especially corporations will try to take advantage of ignorance.
As a highly paid professional this is bullshit. Most insurance plans in the u.s. are costing more and covering less every year. They have introduced all sorts of fun things make it more brutal. Evaluating a companies insurance plan has become a critical exercise in evaluating any job offer. Some major companies offer shit benefits packages.
Things they have done:
Raised deductables: The insurance basically pays nothing until the deductible is met. In many plans, this is $4,000+. I have seen them as high as $10,000.
Increased out-of-pocket maximums. This is the maximum amount a person can pay in a year. These are important for chronic illnesses or serious accidents etc. it used to be $4000 in a year for a family. Now I see plans that have $8,000. as the maximum.
Decreases the percentage they pay. When I started working a most “good” insurance plans would pay 90% of the bill. Now 80% is the standard with many “bad” plans only offering to pay 50 or 60%.
Limit medical networks that they do business with. You want to see a Dr or specialist who is not in your network. You are fucked.
What has the government done? Introduced the HSA plan. Basically you can save money out of you paycheck tax free to pay for all these ballooning costs. The plan just happens to be an investment plan in the stock market with high fees and lots of money for Wall Street.
This was, what this person told me, when I said that I would not want to live in the USA because of the health insurance
Very uneducated comment.