• Passerby6497@lemmy.world
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    Lol, pedo-prez supporters have been working overtime to protect their pedo-leader. No surprise that this old libertarian “I’m not really a pedophile even though I want to rape minors” chestnut came back.

    Gonna have to change the meaning of POTUS, given the head of our country is now the Pedophile of the United States

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    My take on this is that pedophilia encompasses sex with minors a whole, and then you have your subtypes.

    Don’t really care if this is technically accurate or not. It dodges the semantic bullshit pedophiles use.

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    See, the distinction between a pedophile, hebephile and ephebophile exists for a good reason.

    But the thing is, the moment you start getting into those differences, it immediately makes you sound like a pedophile.

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      Only because online people are dumb as fuck. They cant process the nuance of basic arguments. They just want simple clickable buzzwords to like, share and subscribe. This is why we now have some of the dumbest cunts in the world claiming that 25 year old “children” cant consent…

      Rape of woman, rape of a teenager, rape of a child, rape of a baby. To put these under one umbrella term is fucking weird. Its like saying “Americans voted for Trump”. Its true, but its not accurate. And Im pretty fucking sure theres a lot of Americans would take issue with that statement.

      Everyone just needs to take a page out of the UK play book, and call him a fucking nonce!

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      One of the many reasons it’s impossible to have an honest and mature discussion on the topic. No one cares to actually be accurate with terminology just because it’s “icky”

      Now if only we could also get research funding on the topic that doesn’t have a billion strings attached to the researchers or the results being locked away forever because no one wants their name attached.

      Or the best one peer review being basically impossible on the topic.

      It’s such a huge problem.

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        This is not only wrong it’s extremely wrong.

        It’s a well documented sexual dysfunction with diagnosis codes and treatment methods (really mostly coping mechanisms and therapy) and everything.

        Not all people who are pedophiles rape children or consume CSM. Some people have the presence of mind to seek out help. Those people are people we can have an adult discussion about and if you want to be specific with definitions with them, fine. Be my guest.

        For the people who raped minors, or consumed CSM? Literally does not fucking matter what you call them. Any discussion on exactly the right word to use is a targeted distraction from the point. You’re either willfully and knowingly engaging in that distraction, or you’re ignorant of the harm some people are trying to cause by doing so.

        He’s a pedophile. Everybody that went to Epstein’s Island is a pedophile, rapist, child molester, whatever, or in the very best case complicit in those crimes.

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    I would just call him a child rapist. IMO that actually sounds worse than “pedophile” because you could apply the latter to someone who was attracted to minors but didn’t rape any.

    Regardless of his attraction, he raped children, so he’s a child rapist.

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      pedophile, hebephile and ephebophile, are after all just terms for someone with a sexual attraction disability. Typically due to a hormonal issue, trauma or mental disability.

      A child rapist is someone who fucks minors and should be locked up for life if not put down. With a list of exceptions that a reasonable person can count on one hand.

      While no one reasonable goanna call two high school seniors fucking when ones 17 and the other is two months older at 18. A child rapist.

      A fat old fuck doing it sure the fuck is.

      We should really start calling things by what they are and not misusing terminology. Makes it less impactful.

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        Add to that, that to the best of my knowledge, most child rapists are not pedophiles and most pedophiles are not child rapists.

        The two being convoluted helps child rapists by letting them hide behind their sexual orientation (“he can’t be a child predator, he has a wife and kids!”) and hurts pedophiles by stigmatizing their condition so that they have a harder time getting help to control or remove their sexual urges.

        If we really want to reduce the amount suffering for both adults and, most importantly, children then we have to be able to start having actual conversations about this.

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    This distinction only means something for psychology.

    And I get that the vast majority of child rapes happen because children are more vulnerable HOWEVER at some point you can just afford an adult prostitute 1000 times over if you actually want that. It’s clear that these people actually wanted to rape children. So the pedophile label makes sense.

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      Exactly. Splitting hairs and calling it an obscure word that is only ever used in a clinical setting weakens and cheapens it. just call them pedophies. don’t let them redefine or spin it. just pedophile.

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        Or just be accurate and call them a rapist. A child rapist.

        Pedophile already is a weakened word. Both cause it gets over used, and because it does have an actual accurate use case that doesn’t accurately describe what’s happened.

        Accurate terminology is always more powerful.

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      If you were 18, and got caught having sex with your 17 year old girl/boy friend. Would you be happy to be placed into the same category of horrible human beings as Ian Watkins…?

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    I don’t understand how they can even defend it. Best case scenario they are saying that raping women is perfectly fine as long as they’re old enough. I get that with some of the extreme MAGA out there really do believe this kinda shit, but I’m sure bullshit like this is why we see more and more people leaving MAGA every day. It’s no surprise that Republicans are getting absolutely destroyed in almost every election lately when you see what they act like and I feel like that will be their eventual downfall. They see these echo chambers online and believe that is an actual representation of what all republican voters think. A lot of people seem to forget, but most people still sit somewhere in the middle especially outside the internet. There’s still an argument to be had about how ignorant people were when it came to the election last year, but bitching about what already happened is never going to get us moving forward.

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      And trafficking! Trump’s base was on a mission to root out pedos AND sex traffickers. This is at the core of the awful things Epstein was found guilty of. Take away the pedophilia and you still have monstrous behavior that should be dealt with harshly.

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      The right wing party, to an astonishing degree, cozies up with and funds literal extremist organizations en masse. the left went for more social and peaceful methods, while the right wing only ramped up the mayhem. that’s one of the reasons that since the late 70’s there has been absolutely no element of left wing organized terror (only a few lone wolf attacks and ecoterrorism), while there is always, at any given point in time, a number of organized, well equipped extremist organizations on the right engaging in all types of activities… political violence, stochastic terrorism, radical violence, misogynstic violence, massive amounts of disinfo, and countless other activities.

      No, not all individuals who are conservative subscribe to or even know about this. But the party itself is absolute cancer of the worst degree possible. they are not nearly as benign and harmless as you think. .