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    10 months ago

    All other countries without sideloading mandates

    We’re as shitty as we’re legally allowed to be
    - Apple

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      Technology isn’t to enable users to do what they want, but to let corporations do what they can get away with.

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          I finally made the plunge to Linux desktop for all work in 2016 and have not looked back (and occasional windows VM, extremely rare now.) Even Arch is now perfectly fine as a workstation which surprised me. Recommend EndeavourOS to streamline the install process but it’s Arch underneath.

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            Welcome to the good side. ;)

            I’ve been running Linux since I could afford a 386 in '94. (and learned years later a 386SX would have run it as well) Every time I need to work on Windows for an employer the 1st thing I do is find who can help mne fix windows when I break it. (I seem to be pretty good at that, although it doesn’t seem to be a huge skill)

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          I’m a Linux user since '94, the 1st Android phone I got (company phone) was rooted, the 1st one I bough ran Cyanogenmod and I even developed Cyanogenmod for my 2nd tablet. (1st was crap) yep, free software user. (and kind of developer)

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      To be fair that’s not limited to Apple. Any company will follow the law to the letter, and lobby to change the law in their favour.

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          Android is not a company though, it’s FOSS. Google could ban it on their branch I suppose.

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            True. I have a Samsung, which does do some shitty ass things like remove the option to turn off data access to apps, but even they allow “sideloading” (I don’t even like that term – it’s just installing software in the normal way to me)

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            Most Android components can technically be FOSS, but the it’s monolythic nature makes it very hard to get from those FOSS benefits. Best example is TV using Android, phone using Android, but cannot change the interface without hacking half-baked thing like custom ROM.

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          Google does indeed use Google Play Services to gate-keep the Ecosystem while keeping Android technically FOSS. Still better than Apple in this case, but hey… would you rather be hanged or beheaded?

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              No but many of them. Play Services gets more and more functions that used to be part of the Android operating system. Some very basic functionalities are assisted GPS or Push notifications.

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          So? Companies can and have removed features like that at the behest of some dickwad in power. Don’t take anything for granted. We need to heavily regulate them. Or hell take games. Capcom is currently adding DRM to 12+year old games. Garbage like that should be forbidden by law instead of relying on shitstorms to get companies to comply.

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        Despite not being forced by governments, no android phone uses a shitty proprietary charger port, nor have they ever. And last night I discovered side loading is possible on my fucking google TV device. Again, no laws require this, it’s just called not being a fucking prick.

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        Not always. Consumers given choice they should go for the product that is best. That way companies have to make the best product. That’s competition working.

        Like when ps3 offered free online but xbox didn’t. That killed the xbox market as everyone could choose a similar product that was cheaper.

        Or when apple forced everyone to use their products people went to the Samsung because you could do what you want. That killed apple.

        Or when some companies offered subscription model like Microsoft Office, everyone went to alternatives and that killed Microsoft Office.

        Honestly I blame people. We had all the information and just laughed in the face of reason. We are choosing to spend more for a shittier product.

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      I honestly don’t get why people use apple. People have explained it to me and I think I just don’t get the reasoning.

      People would tell me on the age of illegally downloaded or someone legally bought mp3s apple was better because you can’t play your mp3s you have to buy them again off apple. Or that apple is better because you can’t use something and instead have to use apples device which isn’t as good and more expensive but it’s white! Like I can’t get a fucking white one.

      The walled garden is shit. Apple makes me angry.

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        i have used an iphone once in my life when i was a kid, and my only memory of it is thinking something was broken because i couldn’t open the filesystem on my PC

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        People would tell me on the age of illegally downloaded or someone legally bought mp3s apple was better because you can’t play your mp3s you have to buy them again off apple

        Idk why people told you that but it’s never been true. iPods didn’t give a shit where the mp3 came from, only that it was loaded via iTunes.

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          I dunno maybe my friends were too stupid to manage it.

          But I got told you couldn’t get it on there and you couldn’t get it off their.

          I didn’t see the point. Didn’t seem like owning it, seemed like apple owned it.

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      From Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty, it’s part of their brand. Apple products are all about stupid proofing. Its hard to fuck it up, its hard to download a malicious app or virus. Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is. Believe it or not that’s the majority of users. Side loading wont effect profits but thats because the large majority of their customer base will never use it. Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy, so of course they won’t give it to us unless they are forced to do so.

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        From Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty

        No shit.

        From Hitler’s perspective, he was saving Germany too. Why would I give a shit about that perspective?

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          Maybe it will help you be less pissy about something you cant change. Accept the fact that Apple will never change due to this fundamental business strategy and move on to a company that doesnt rely on babying their mindless customers. Or I dunno, fuck it, keep pissing in the wind and crying about smelling bad.

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            No. Still punching Nazis and Apple fan bois in the face for supporting fascistic backwards authoritarians.

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            I won’t give apple another dime. I made the decision like 10 years ago and stuck with it.

            The only reason I have to care is that you can’t avoid hearing about apple and their shitty business practices on a near daily basis.

            Complaining about a company being shitty is reasonable. Deal with it and just simp harder.

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              We’re never going to shut up about Apple. Ever. Anyone who doesn’t like it is free to not read it!

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              Yo you and everyone else replying to me need to slow down and read carefully. I’m telling you you cant change it SO GO BUY SOMETHING ELSE. Holy fuck, the shit I said above is not a compliment to apple. If you don’t get that then you are Apple’s target audience cause goddamn ya fuckin need stupid proofing.

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        Apple products are all about stupid proofing.

        Where do we draw the line between a functioning computer and chromebook? an IoT device? Stupid-proofing should not come at the cost of basic functionality.

        Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is.

        No, it does not. Users attempting to sideload an app would obviously be warned, not to mention various other methods of malware scanning / sandboxing which can alleviate that non-existant issue.

        Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy.

        Creating Fisher Price computers is not a valid business strategy, and serves as a detriment for all users regardless of proficency. User freedom is beneficial for absolutely everyone.

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          It absolutely is a valid business strategy, Apple has been winning with this strategy for like 15-20 years now. Their shit IS Fisher Price computers and Fisher Price phones and ALWAYS HAS BEEN. Most people are fucking dumb and it is designed specifically for them. So for the love of god go buy something else. Please. I’m begging you and everyone else who thinks they are smart - STOP BUYING APPLE STUFF! Like holy shit do something inconvenient for once

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            Any women who (who we’re already assuning I’m interested in enough to take on a date) won’t go on a date with me because of my phone’s OS are dodged bullets imo.

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              My 12 year old son has a Samsung Galaxy S23 and is a total Samsung loyalist. I hope he doesn’t have to dodge a ton of bullets.

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          Users attempting to sideload an app would obviously be warned, not to mention various other methods of malware scanning / sandboxing which can alleviate that non-existant issue.

          Hope the sandboxing is really strong.

          Vulnerable people can be walked through malware installations over the phone, or via guided workflow.

          Also, naughty nations/employers can pre-load spyware onto devices they require people to use.

          Definitely excited to see what the best use cases are but will await headlines this year about misuse.