I go to a lot of live music shows but I haven’t purchased a TicketMaster or Live Nation ticket in forever. I don’t see huge bands because they are prohibitively expensive but I get to see a lot of really fun shows and experience a far more engaged crowd.
You’re doing it right. The way to deal with overpriced concerts and scalpers is to vote with your wallet. Don’t buy overpriced tickets. Don’t buy from scalpers. Nobody needs to go see a particular artist at a particular concert, I don’t care how much you “love” them, or that you might never see them on tour again, you don’t NEED that. Let it go. Let go of the FOMO. Step one of defeating scalpers is to remove their market. If they cannot make money, they will not exist.
The “huge bands” that the previous commenter was talking about are huge, because people already voted for them with their wallets. The smaller bands get “less votes”.
In what way is it nonsensical? Does the fact that other people spend their money in a different way prohibit you from changing your own behavior? Do you think I am trying to convince every Swiftie in the world to never attend another Taylor Swift concert? Do you think I imagine that is a realistic goal? Or am I talking specifically to you, an individual user on Lemmy with free will and perhaps self-control?
Place your vote where you want it, achieve the goals you personally find important. Change your perspective on what winning a vote means. This isn’t an election. You don’t have to be in the majority to win.
We tried something similar with convincing people not to preorder games. There’s a proven method to make things better but everyone loves to shit in their pants.
I understand your frustration, but I think you also have to keep in mind that it’s not a binary true/false success condition. Plenty of partial success can still be had in the gray area in between, and partial success has its own proportional rewards. Realistically we’re never going to solve 100% of the problem this way (or probably any way). But what we can do is shrink the proportions of the problem. Yes, there are always going to be people paying many thousands of dollars for Taylor Swift tickets and people preordering the next Assassin’s Creed game or whatever. But by shifting your own purchasing decisions away from such things, and hopefully with the cooperation of many other people also making the same shift, you start to funnel more money into the artists and games that don’t do that. You make that area of the creative space richer with your money, and then those creatives make their art richer with the money you’re supplying. As a result, we earn better future rewards for ourselves without having to participate in the behaviors we find objectionable. We are all working together, this is a collective effort, and even partial success is a perfectly appealing goal on its own. The more success the better, but I’ll take any success we can get, because every little bit counts and every little bit makes the situation a little bit better.
Very solid points. Well said. I was only thinking of the condition of stops or doesn’t stop rising prices and that needs x amount of the market to do so. The other half I didn’t consider. Thank you for taking the time
Nah this is some whack advice. I go to plenty of shows, small little ones that have 20-50 people or giant stadium tours.
If something is prohibitively expensive and you can’t afford it then that’s different. But going and seeing some of your favorite bands is a memorable experience and usually a social one as well.
Like when Radiohead played my city in 2018 that was the first time they played here since like 1996 or something. I doubt they will again within the next decade. I’m supposed to just go “I don’t like ticket sales practices so I’m gonna miss this opportunity all together”?
I guess if you want to feel special for going to local shows to “stick it to Ticketmaster” go ahead, but that’s a far different experience then seeing big acts. Ticketmaster is not even going to notice that you skipped a concert because you don’t like them. People aren’t going to every concert under the sun, only the bands they like. How well ticket sales do is going to be determined by how popular the band is. That’s all they’ll be considering when they look at sales vs venue vs marketing, etc.
Scalpers are another thing all together. I’ve never purchased one from them. If a show sells out, it sells out and becomes not worth it to me 9 times out of 10.
My friends book a lot of small DIY shows. The kind you pay like $5-20 at the door in cash. They’re usually very niche or underground artists. It’s just a fundamentally different experience.
If a band has any sort of notoriety and it’s at a medium sized venue the concert is almost always being booked by Ticketmaster or livenation anyway.
My friend sometimes gets free tickets to bigger concerts and invites me. I saw ELO (or whatever the name is now) and Incubus recently and both were great in a different way. They’re too different to compare IMO, even though I do prefer smaller shows because that’s what the bands I like play
Ah, yes, the ole “it’s the customers fault they’re getting screwed.”
Why do I have to think about market forces and corporate politics just to buy a fucking concert ticket? Can’t we just have a well regulated market that doesn’t constantly treat customers like a resource to be mined?
Why do I have to think about market forces and corporate politics just to buy a fucking concert ticket? Can’t we just have a well regulated market that doesn’t constantly treat customers like a resource to be mined?
Because the democrats keep voting against progressives, leaving us with republicans.
In short, it’s the culture we want because most us support the miners.
No, we can’t. Both are captured by cruel and selfish people who will keep taking until something breaks and they got to where they are because people kept voting for them on the ballot and in the store instead of supporting the people who aren’t trying to economically rape us into the grave.
Can’t we just have a well regulated market that doesn’t constantly treat customers like a resource to be mined?
Of course we can in theory, but the capitalists will call it socialism. And then people will say we don’t want that. So we go right back to free market capitalism.
If y’all keep paying them, they’ll assume you can pay more. Every big business takes a such as possible from you.
I go to a lot of live music shows but I haven’t purchased a TicketMaster or Live Nation ticket in forever. I don’t see huge bands because they are prohibitively expensive but I get to see a lot of really fun shows and experience a far more engaged crowd.
You’re doing it right. The way to deal with overpriced concerts and scalpers is to vote with your wallet. Don’t buy overpriced tickets. Don’t buy from scalpers. Nobody needs to go see a particular artist at a particular concert, I don’t care how much you “love” them, or that you might never see them on tour again, you don’t NEED that. Let it go. Let go of the FOMO. Step one of defeating scalpers is to remove their market. If they cannot make money, they will not exist.
This is kind of non-sensical, in this context.
The “huge bands” that the previous commenter was talking about are huge, because people already voted for them with their wallets. The smaller bands get “less votes”.
In what way is it nonsensical? Does the fact that other people spend their money in a different way prohibit you from changing your own behavior? Do you think I am trying to convince every Swiftie in the world to never attend another Taylor Swift concert? Do you think I imagine that is a realistic goal? Or am I talking specifically to you, an individual user on Lemmy with free will and perhaps self-control?
Place your vote where you want it, achieve the goals you personally find important. Change your perspective on what winning a vote means. This isn’t an election. You don’t have to be in the majority to win.
We tried something similar with convincing people not to preorder games. There’s a proven method to make things better but everyone loves to shit in their pants.
I understand your frustration, but I think you also have to keep in mind that it’s not a binary true/false success condition. Plenty of partial success can still be had in the gray area in between, and partial success has its own proportional rewards. Realistically we’re never going to solve 100% of the problem this way (or probably any way). But what we can do is shrink the proportions of the problem. Yes, there are always going to be people paying many thousands of dollars for Taylor Swift tickets and people preordering the next Assassin’s Creed game or whatever. But by shifting your own purchasing decisions away from such things, and hopefully with the cooperation of many other people also making the same shift, you start to funnel more money into the artists and games that don’t do that. You make that area of the creative space richer with your money, and then those creatives make their art richer with the money you’re supplying. As a result, we earn better future rewards for ourselves without having to participate in the behaviors we find objectionable. We are all working together, this is a collective effort, and even partial success is a perfectly appealing goal on its own. The more success the better, but I’ll take any success we can get, because every little bit counts and every little bit makes the situation a little bit better.
Very solid points. Well said. I was only thinking of the condition of stops or doesn’t stop rising prices and that needs x amount of the market to do so. The other half I didn’t consider. Thank you for taking the time
Nah this is some whack advice. I go to plenty of shows, small little ones that have 20-50 people or giant stadium tours.
If something is prohibitively expensive and you can’t afford it then that’s different. But going and seeing some of your favorite bands is a memorable experience and usually a social one as well.
Like when Radiohead played my city in 2018 that was the first time they played here since like 1996 or something. I doubt they will again within the next decade. I’m supposed to just go “I don’t like ticket sales practices so I’m gonna miss this opportunity all together”?
I guess if you want to feel special for going to local shows to “stick it to Ticketmaster” go ahead, but that’s a far different experience then seeing big acts. Ticketmaster is not even going to notice that you skipped a concert because you don’t like them. People aren’t going to every concert under the sun, only the bands they like. How well ticket sales do is going to be determined by how popular the band is. That’s all they’ll be considering when they look at sales vs venue vs marketing, etc.
Scalpers are another thing all together. I’ve never purchased one from them. If a show sells out, it sells out and becomes not worth it to me 9 times out of 10.
My friends book a lot of small DIY shows. The kind you pay like $5-20 at the door in cash. They’re usually very niche or underground artists. It’s just a fundamentally different experience.
If a band has any sort of notoriety and it’s at a medium sized venue the concert is almost always being booked by Ticketmaster or livenation anyway.
Honestly smaller local shows are so much better anyway. I’d go see some local band at the dive down the street over a stadium show any day.
My friend sometimes gets free tickets to bigger concerts and invites me. I saw ELO (or whatever the name is now) and Incubus recently and both were great in a different way. They’re too different to compare IMO, even though I do prefer smaller shows because that’s what the bands I like play
Ah, yes, the ole “it’s the customers fault they’re getting screwed.”
Why do I have to think about market forces and corporate politics just to buy a fucking concert ticket? Can’t we just have a well regulated market that doesn’t constantly treat customers like a resource to be mined?
You don’t have to think about it. You just have to look at the price and decide if you want to pay it.
Because the democrats keep voting against progressives, leaving us with republicans.
In short, it’s the culture we want because most us support the miners.
No, we can’t. Both are captured by cruel and selfish people who will keep taking until something breaks and they got to where they are because people kept voting for them on the ballot and in the store instead of supporting the people who aren’t trying to economically rape us into the grave.
Of course we can in theory, but the capitalists will call it socialism. And then people will say we don’t want that. So we go right back to free market capitalism.
I get this argument for something people actually need but going to a Taylor Swift concert is the very definition of a luxury.
Not with Democrats or Republicans in power