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    letting the cheeto win

    When will you bootlickers understand that SHE let him win? Her job was to represent her constituents, instead she decided to represent Israel. She decided to support genocide instead of us ffs.

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      Yes voters, propaganda, and online influence campaigns specifically designed to help trump win literally had zero power. That’s when Russia helped trump win the first time, everyone knew it totally didn’t matter at all /s

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        You literally cannot comprehend the notion of a politician needing to appeal to their voters in order to win.

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        Kamala had momentum before the DNC because she was choosing progressive partners like Tim Walz and seemed to be diverging from Biden.

        Then she gave her DNC speech, and locked in her policies as Biden 2.0.

        Sure Russia helped, but Harris holds the most blame as to why she lost.

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        The fact is Russia wouldn’t have had such an easy time if kamala wasn’t loudly saying “Fuck you, fuck your beliefs, I stand with the oligarchy and genocide.”

        It’s a politicians job first and foremost to win elections. Stop blaming voters, all you are doing is enabling the Dems to act like idiots.

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          Yes the real problem is a tiny handful of assholes and definitely not millions of morons

          For the record I’m blaming non voters and online propagandists mainly. You know, what you’re trying to create?

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            The tiny handfuls of assholes were in charge of the platform they ran.

            It’s also weird to say “the few supporting genocide aren’t the bad ones, it’s the ones that can’t overlook it that are at fault”.

            If you keep blaming anyone’s but the ones on charge, the dems will try to walk the line between us and Israel next election too, and they will lose again.

            The election is over, now is when it’s the time to be critical of them! Stop giving them an easy pass for the complete shitshow they pulled.

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              It’s our jobs as voters to be informed. Being informed means understanding the impact of your vote. That’s an entirely separate issue from putting pressure on politicians to do the right thing. We should be doing that, but not at the expense of destroying society, which is what’s happening now.

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                putting pressure on politicians to do the right thing

                Essentially, the only time you can put real pressure is when you vote.

                i don’t think abstaining was necessarily the right move, shortsighted but not immoral.

                More importantly, now that it’s over, bitching about the voters exercising their right over fucking genocide of all things, instead of the corrupt pieces of shit that actually forced the genocide issue is simply insane imo.

                What’s funny is all the absolute and complete morons that chant ‘you have to vote for genocide, just ignore it next time’ are the same that question how the right could vote for a convicted felon and pedo.

                The fact is, the party has to change, it’s not up to voters to accept genocide. The fault lies enteriely on them for making it a voting issue in the first place.

                And if they don’t change because half the base is ready to blame someone else, then they will lose again.

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                  You fucking people always think you can vote third party and not fuck the country but that never has panned out

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                    You fucking people think you can railroad the voters and still have an enthusiastic electorate willing to vote for whatever you order them to.

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                    I think not voting third party is stupid. I also think abstaining is as well.

                    The root cause of the issue is still the Democrats platform last election and the complete alienation of their voters which led to a low turnout.

                    We wouldn’t have Trump currently if they had just told Israel to pound sand. Killing civilians was more important then winning an election apparently. Lucky them, they have a convenient scape goat so they can do it all again in a few years

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        Yes? My point is neither did Kamala and that is why she lost.

        The bar isn’t trump, it’s higher then that and the dems fucked up by trying to go as low as they could.

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        Gaza was a stupid cause to get hung up on

        For not supporting Gaza enough

        I see you. I see the language you use, trying your hardest to avoid the word genocide. Trying your hardest to blame anything but the dems blatant and unpopular support for a foreign warmongering state. You are either a zionist or a useful idiot.

        We need to demand better from the “good” political party, not offer them an easy scapegoat. Stop enabling them.

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          Ok, since we are doing stupid wordplay.

          You can quote me on this:

          Israel is at this moment perpetuating a genocide in Gaza, this is the truth.


          Also if I never made it clear, I am not American, I am a Swede who strongly believes in the social democratic ideology.


          That being said, not voting Harris in the last (?) US election was stupid for those who support Gaza (as you should).

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            Genocide was a stupid cause to get hung up on

            Here’s your original comments with the proper terms used. Do you understand how much of lunatic you sound like?

            Genocide is a stupid cause to get hung up on? Really?

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                Holy shit asshat, you seem to be assuming how I voted.

                I voted for kamala, the problem is I felt like shit doing it. The problem is she ran such a worthless disgusting campaign a lot of people didn’t show up. But how can I blame them and not her, when she and the rest of the party CHOSE genocide over their us.

                All you are doing is ENABLING them to do it again, blaming the voters does nothing other then benefitting Israel.

                The party needs to realign themselves if they want to have a chance. With the fuckery being done, they need a record turn out and they won’t get it by being Israel’s lapdog. Scapegoating literally harms our chances next election, because it gives them a green light to try their hardest to lose.

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                    I am not shaming anyone for voting, that’s the difference between us. Reread my comment, I’m literally one of those people.

                    I’m shaming the party for giving voters such a shit choice. I’m shaming people who keep blaming anyone but that same party because the media and a couple of Israeli bots told them too.

                    Blaming voters serves nothing except making sure the Dems lose the next elections.

                    Edit: deleted two paragraphs because I was being rude.