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    4 days ago

    Yes voters, propaganda, and online influence campaigns specifically designed to help trump win literally had zero power. That’s when Russia helped trump win the first time, everyone knew it totally didn’t matter at all /s

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      You literally cannot comprehend the notion of a politician needing to appeal to their voters in order to win.

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      Kamala had momentum before the DNC because she was choosing progressive partners like Tim Walz and seemed to be diverging from Biden.

      Then she gave her DNC speech, and locked in her policies as Biden 2.0.

      Sure Russia helped, but Harris holds the most blame as to why she lost.

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      The fact is Russia wouldn’t have had such an easy time if kamala wasn’t loudly saying “Fuck you, fuck your beliefs, I stand with the oligarchy and genocide.”

      It’s a politicians job first and foremost to win elections. Stop blaming voters, all you are doing is enabling the Dems to act like idiots.

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        4 days ago

        Yes the real problem is a tiny handful of assholes and definitely not millions of morons

        For the record I’m blaming non voters and online propagandists mainly. You know, what you’re trying to create?

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          The tiny handfuls of assholes were in charge of the platform they ran.

          It’s also weird to say “the few supporting genocide aren’t the bad ones, it’s the ones that can’t overlook it that are at fault”.

          If you keep blaming anyone’s but the ones on charge, the dems will try to walk the line between us and Israel next election too, and they will lose again.

          The election is over, now is when it’s the time to be critical of them! Stop giving them an easy pass for the complete shitshow they pulled.

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            It’s our jobs as voters to be informed. Being informed means understanding the impact of your vote. That’s an entirely separate issue from putting pressure on politicians to do the right thing. We should be doing that, but not at the expense of destroying society, which is what’s happening now.

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              putting pressure on politicians to do the right thing

              Essentially, the only time you can put real pressure is when you vote.

              i don’t think abstaining was necessarily the right move, shortsighted but not immoral.

              More importantly, now that it’s over, bitching about the voters exercising their right over fucking genocide of all things, instead of the corrupt pieces of shit that actually forced the genocide issue is simply insane imo.

              What’s funny is all the absolute and complete morons that chant ‘you have to vote for genocide, just ignore it next time’ are the same that question how the right could vote for a convicted felon and pedo.

              The fact is, the party has to change, it’s not up to voters to accept genocide. The fault lies enteriely on them for making it a voting issue in the first place.

              And if they don’t change because half the base is ready to blame someone else, then they will lose again.

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                You fucking people always think you can vote third party and not fuck the country but that never has panned out

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                  You fucking people think you can railroad the voters and still have an enthusiastic electorate willing to vote for whatever you order them to.

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                  I think not voting third party is stupid. I also think abstaining is as well.

                  The root cause of the issue is still the Democrats platform last election and the complete alienation of their voters which led to a low turnout.

                  We wouldn’t have Trump currently if they had just told Israel to pound sand. Killing civilians was more important then winning an election apparently. Lucky them, they have a convenient scape goat so they can do it all again in a few years

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                    Ah yes, the magical “let’s withhold our votes and yell”. That has always showed them. Or maybe it did… once?

                    Nope.

                    No one is dumber than a third party voter.