There is also a vast amount of space between a normal human body and the bodies that most Americans now have. That has nothing to do with the unrealistic beauty standards in media (which is also a thing)
Obesity is bad, and it annoys me when people start defending it as being beautiful. It’s not, it will kill you in loads of unpleasant ways.
Nobody in the thread above mentioned obesity. Nobody is saying you have to be attracted to obese people. Or disputing that it’s unhealthy.
It remains true that there is a lot of space between this extreme and the extreme portrayed in media. Body weight is not the only standard, it’s one of many.
… Nobody mentioned obesity but we’re talking about body weight… I mean, it’s on topic, y’know.
And while body weight is not the only standard, it is a good indication of health. If you’re twice overweight, you will die sooner and likely in a not so comfortable way. Handhaving that away with “well, it’s one thing but there are others too” feels a bit disingenuous.
Yeah, there are loads of ways to die but this one is very preventable
I’ve read that American food is particularly bad, and you are right, but the factor contributing most is the metabolism with which you are born, other things important are levels of stress, ability to sleep well.
Exercise is important, yes. Eating right is as well. Just keep in mind that some things are outside your control, and if you think your health is your own achievement, that might not be entirely correct.
The factor that matters most isn’t your metabolism. If that were true we’d have sever overweight issues since thousands of years but we haven’t. The overweight pandemic is caused by too much food, period.
Want to lose weight? Whatever your metabolism is, eat less, eat healthier. It’s that simple.
Yeah, exercise a lot, that’s healthy and needed. It won’t make you think though unless you really exercise a lot (3+ hours a day, every day)
Easiest way is to just eat less. Eat smaller portions, stop eating processed foods, cut your sugar intake.
There are some super interesting videos of a physicist / chemist going over the basics of the chemistry involved and implications of it, I can send those if you’re interested
There are some super interesting videos of a physicist / chemist going over the basics of the chemistry involved and implications of it, I can send those if you’re interested
Obesity is a result of many things. It’s mostly hereditary whatever you are born with, so the comment you are answering is right.
Just like other cases of “unhealthy”. Just like with them, though, it’s possible to find one’s optimum in food and sports and sleep to feel better, and a person who feels better is usually more attractive.
But looking like models you can find in the interwebs is just not possible if you are not already like them.
Passing through your individual system. Mine, for example, very badly processes sugars. One teaspoon of sugar in tea means I stink like cat piss in half an hour after drinking that tea.
You dont have to look like a model, but you dont have to be fat.
There are “fat” models, and also it’s usually not your choice as I have previously said.
In case someone thinks I have a skin in the game - I’m as thin as a skeleton. But I have family members overweight and you really don’t know what you’re talking about, they are among the most healthy eating people I know and still their weight requires precision and discipline in their diet, both more than you likely ever achieved in life, sorry if rude.
People who feel better are healthy because they aren’t obese.
Yeah, it’s better to be healthy and rich than sick and poor, as they say to such statements where I live.
Show me where obesity is hereditary and not habit based?
Sugar is still calories and still comes out as burned energy and processing those calories does not matter because it is still burned as energy.
They may eat healthy but they eat a lot of healthy food which is still calories and they don’t exercise which is how you burn calories.
Why are you taking personal attacks at me? Obesity is literally a self control issue. If you dont exercise, don’t eat as much. If you eat a ton, you have burn those calories or they will store up. This is the just how this works.
Show me where obesity is hereditary and not habit based?
I can’t show it to you, it’s a hard subject requiring a lot of data. But everybody having obese relatives know that they generally eat the same things and still get obese!
Sugar is still calories and still comes out as burned energy and processing those calories does not matter because it is still burned as energy.
You don’t know what you are talking about.
They may eat healthy but they eat a lot of healthy food which is still calories and they don’t exercise which is how you burn calories.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Yep, exercise is very good, with different effects on different people still.
Why are you taking personal attacks at me?
Because:
Obesity is literally a self control issue. If you dont exercise, don’t eat as much.
It’s a different magnitude self control issue for different people. It’s a self control issue for me - if I eat only burgers for a month, I might start getting obese (more likely just die), I just have to avoid that. It’s a self control issue for my sister - if with her steamed vegetable diet she exercises a bit less, she gains weight. These are not comparable.
If you eat a ton, you have burn those calories or they will store up. This is the just how this works.
You are not saying anything valuable, that’s just how this works. Health is complex.
Health is not complex. Eat right. Work out. Everything else falls into place.
Stop making excuses for bad habits that harm people. If you truly cared about your friends and family, you will tell them when they are unhealthy. If you encourage their behavior, you are an enabler and they will die sooner rather than later.
You don’t seem to get what I’m saying. I’m not saying eating right and working out isn’t necessary.
I’m saying that you not being obese and some other person being that is most likely not your achievement or their failure. It’s just genetic predisposition.
In most cases it’s actually not hereditary, for some it is however. But in most cases, it’s related to mental disease. Lack of impulse control due to ADHD or depression for example. I went through that, finally on medication for 2 months now and I finally have the headspace to lose weight. And I agree with you, that losing weight works wonders on your health. But it isn’t as easy as you make it out to be.
Social status is also one of those things, especially in countries that are riddled with the cancer that is capitalism. Unhealthy food often is way cheaper than healthy food. Plus, poor people often work 2-3 jobs. They don’t have time to cook healthy meals.
You sound like you don’t believe in ADHD “just finish what you started, have some impulse control!“, or autism “read the room, don’t be so literal and stop getting distracted by noise and light, just ignore it”.
It night be plausible that most people can just avoid the first cigarette or the first spliff or the first anything, but no one can avoid food, and some people’s biology, their hormonal balance, their brain chemistry, mental health, shit, just their metabolic rate can make them have a very, very different order of magnitude of problems with food.
So it’s easy for you to have self control around food and balance your calorie intake with exercise? Great, good for you, but stop acting all morally superior for not having problems in your life.
Get lost with that judgemental “it’s simple” shit and try to learn a bit of self control yourself over what kind of nasty judgementalism you’re spouting online without thinking about other people.
Obesity costs america trillions of tax payer dollars in Healthcare and productivity. Obesity is burying hospitals.
There is no way you can compare adhd or autism to Obesity. Obesity is a choice. Medical conditions are not. People choose to eat more and exercise less. I have no sympathy for people that make everyday life harder on society with no accountability.
The fact that you think having one cheeseburger is the equivalent to Crack cocaine is telling.
All it takes is a 30 minute walk daily and to eat a salad once a day. But apparently that’s too much for some people and now they have to harm society with medial bills, lack of productivity, special treatment, and inconvenience.
The most unhappy, nasty people I know are obese because in there mind they are victims and its everyone else’s fault but their own. They take no ageny or accountability for their actions.
All that weight hurts your body so much and when you can’t even leave the couch to open the door for the 24 wings and loaded fried with a gallon coke , maybe its time for self reflection.
Go ahead. Defend people’s poor life choices that are harming themselves, their family, and their communities. Support their victim mentality and tell them there is nothing that can be done and that they and beautiful just as they are when they need another person with a stick to hold up their fat just so they can have sex.
Obese body positivity is a death sentence and a depression enabler. Every person should always work on themselves to be better and that includes keeping your body and mind well maintained, no matter what their size is.
Congratulations on ignoring literally everything I said and arguing with some fictitious person who is “body positive” about obesity or who doesn’t think it’s a problem. I mean, I’ve come across straw man arguments before, but this one takes the biscuit.
You think your hate and contempt can fix other people, but you’re very, very, very wrong. I wouldn’t be surprised if you shout at homeless people or at last rant about them for half an hour behind their backs.
Also congrats on completely, utterly and comprehensively falling the self control challenge I set you.
Turns out your self control in some things is at absolute zero.
Still really proud of yourself? I bet you really are, because you’re not very introspective so far today.
No. An unhealthy body is not attractive. Reject complacency and obesity.
There a vast amount of space between unhealthy physique and the unrealistic beauty standards in media.
There is also a vast amount of space between a normal human body and the bodies that most Americans now have. That has nothing to do with the unrealistic beauty standards in media (which is also a thing)
Obesity is bad, and it annoys me when people start defending it as being beautiful. It’s not, it will kill you in loads of unpleasant ways.
Get healthy, exercise, eat less, eat less sugars
Nobody in the thread above mentioned obesity. Nobody is saying you have to be attracted to obese people. Or disputing that it’s unhealthy.
It remains true that there is a lot of space between this extreme and the extreme portrayed in media. Body weight is not the only standard, it’s one of many.
… Nobody mentioned obesity but we’re talking about body weight… I mean, it’s on topic, y’know.
And while body weight is not the only standard, it is a good indication of health. If you’re twice overweight, you will die sooner and likely in a not so comfortable way. Handhaving that away with “well, it’s one thing but there are others too” feels a bit disingenuous.
Yeah, there are loads of ways to die but this one is very preventable
I’ve read that American food is particularly bad, and you are right, but the factor contributing most is the metabolism with which you are born, other things important are levels of stress, ability to sleep well.
Exercise is important, yes. Eating right is as well. Just keep in mind that some things are outside your control, and if you think your health is your own achievement, that might not be entirely correct.
Eh, no
The factor that matters most isn’t your metabolism. If that were true we’d have sever overweight issues since thousands of years but we haven’t. The overweight pandemic is caused by too much food, period.
Want to lose weight? Whatever your metabolism is, eat less, eat healthier. It’s that simple.
Yeah, exercise a lot, that’s healthy and needed. It won’t make you think though unless you really exercise a lot (3+ hours a day, every day)
Easiest way is to just eat less. Eat smaller portions, stop eating processed foods, cut your sugar intake.
There are some super interesting videos of a physicist / chemist going over the basics of the chemistry involved and implications of it, I can send those if you’re interested
Interested.
I’ve met people far more beautiful than most you can see in mainstream media, let alone adult materials.
(And in case one bitch with ASPD is stalking me, no, I don’t mean her ; that is, this is true for her too.)
No one mentioned obesity except you.
Stop projecting your own self-hatred into others.
Stop bringing hatred into this discussion.
But… that’s what you did?
How is promoting healthy living hatred?
Obesity is a result of many things. It’s mostly
hereditarywhatever you are born with, so the comment you are answering is right.Just like other cases of “unhealthy”. Just like with them, though, it’s possible to find one’s optimum in food and sports and sleep to feel better, and a person who feels better is usually more attractive.
But looking like models you can find in the interwebs is just not possible if you are not already like them.
Obesity is not hereditary. It is calories in, calories out. You dont have to look like a model, but you dont have to be fat.
People who feel better are healthy because they aren’t obese.
It usually is.
Passing through your individual system. Mine, for example, very badly processes sugars. One teaspoon of sugar in tea means I stink like cat piss in half an hour after drinking that tea.
There are “fat” models, and also it’s usually not your choice as I have previously said.
In case someone thinks I have a skin in the game - I’m as thin as a skeleton. But I have family members overweight and you really don’t know what you’re talking about, they are among the most healthy eating people I know and still their weight requires precision and discipline in their diet, both more than you likely ever achieved in life, sorry if rude.
Yeah, it’s better to be healthy and rich than sick and poor, as they say to such statements where I live.
Show me where obesity is hereditary and not habit based?
Sugar is still calories and still comes out as burned energy and processing those calories does not matter because it is still burned as energy.
They may eat healthy but they eat a lot of healthy food which is still calories and they don’t exercise which is how you burn calories.
Why are you taking personal attacks at me? Obesity is literally a self control issue. If you dont exercise, don’t eat as much. If you eat a ton, you have burn those calories or they will store up. This is the just how this works.
I can’t show it to you, it’s a hard subject requiring a lot of data. But everybody having obese relatives know that they generally eat the same things and still get obese!
You don’t know what you are talking about.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Yep, exercise is very good, with different effects on different people still.
Because:
It’s a different magnitude self control issue for different people. It’s a self control issue for me - if I eat only burgers for a month, I might start getting obese (more likely just die), I just have to avoid that. It’s a self control issue for my sister - if with her steamed vegetable diet she exercises a bit less, she gains weight. These are not comparable.
You are not saying anything valuable, that’s just how this works. Health is complex.
Health is not complex. Eat right. Work out. Everything else falls into place.
Stop making excuses for bad habits that harm people. If you truly cared about your friends and family, you will tell them when they are unhealthy. If you encourage their behavior, you are an enabler and they will die sooner rather than later.
You don’t seem to get what I’m saying. I’m not saying eating right and working out isn’t necessary.
I’m saying that you not being obese and some other person being that is most likely not your achievement or their failure. It’s just genetic predisposition.
I don’t need excuses in this setting.
In most cases it’s actually not hereditary, for some it is however. But in most cases, it’s related to mental disease. Lack of impulse control due to ADHD or depression for example. I went through that, finally on medication for 2 months now and I finally have the headspace to lose weight. And I agree with you, that losing weight works wonders on your health. But it isn’t as easy as you make it out to be.
Social status is also one of those things, especially in countries that are riddled with the cancer that is capitalism. Unhealthy food often is way cheaper than healthy food. Plus, poor people often work 2-3 jobs. They don’t have time to cook healthy meals.
You sound like you don’t believe in ADHD “just finish what you started, have some impulse control!“, or autism “read the room, don’t be so literal and stop getting distracted by noise and light, just ignore it”.
It night be plausible that most people can just avoid the first cigarette or the first spliff or the first anything, but no one can avoid food, and some people’s biology, their hormonal balance, their brain chemistry, mental health, shit, just their metabolic rate can make them have a very, very different order of magnitude of problems with food.
So it’s easy for you to have self control around food and balance your calorie intake with exercise? Great, good for you, but stop acting all morally superior for not having problems in your life.
Get lost with that judgemental “it’s simple” shit and try to learn a bit of self control yourself over what kind of nasty judgementalism you’re spouting online without thinking about other people.
Obesity costs america trillions of tax payer dollars in Healthcare and productivity. Obesity is burying hospitals.
There is no way you can compare adhd or autism to Obesity. Obesity is a choice. Medical conditions are not. People choose to eat more and exercise less. I have no sympathy for people that make everyday life harder on society with no accountability.
The fact that you think having one cheeseburger is the equivalent to Crack cocaine is telling.
All it takes is a 30 minute walk daily and to eat a salad once a day. But apparently that’s too much for some people and now they have to harm society with medial bills, lack of productivity, special treatment, and inconvenience.
The most unhappy, nasty people I know are obese because in there mind they are victims and its everyone else’s fault but their own. They take no ageny or accountability for their actions.
All that weight hurts your body so much and when you can’t even leave the couch to open the door for the 24 wings and loaded fried with a gallon coke , maybe its time for self reflection.
Go ahead. Defend people’s poor life choices that are harming themselves, their family, and their communities. Support their victim mentality and tell them there is nothing that can be done and that they and beautiful just as they are when they need another person with a stick to hold up their fat just so they can have sex.
Obese body positivity is a death sentence and a depression enabler. Every person should always work on themselves to be better and that includes keeping your body and mind well maintained, no matter what their size is.
Congratulations on ignoring literally everything I said and arguing with some fictitious person who is “body positive” about obesity or who doesn’t think it’s a problem. I mean, I’ve come across straw man arguments before, but this one takes the biscuit.
You think your hate and contempt can fix other people, but you’re very, very, very wrong. I wouldn’t be surprised if you shout at homeless people or at last rant about them for half an hour behind their backs.
Also congrats on completely, utterly and comprehensively falling the self control challenge I set you.
Turns out your self control in some things is at absolute zero.
Still really proud of yourself? I bet you really are, because you’re not very introspective so far today.