In my opinion, AI just feels like the logical next step for capitalist exploitation and destruction of culture. Generative AI is (in most cases) just a fancy way for cooperations to steal art on a scale, that hasn’t been possible before. And then they use AI to fill the internet with slop and misinformation and actual artists are getting fired from their jobs, because the company replaces them with an AI, that was trained on their original art. Because of these reasons and some others, it just feels wrong to me, to be using AI in such a manner, when this community should be about inclusion and kindness. Wouldn’t it be much cooler, if we commissioned an actual artist for the banner or find a nice existing artwork (where the licence fits, of course)? I would love to hear your thoughts!

  • BennyTheExplorer@lemmy.worldOP
    4110·
    3 days ago

    It’s not about anyone getting paid, it’s about affording basic respect and empathy to people and their work. Using AI sends a certain message of 'I don’t care about your consent or opinion towards me using your art", and I don’t think, that this is a good thing for anyone.

    • jsomae@lemmy.ml
      1911·
      3 days ago

      Well yeah, I don’t care about IP rights. Nothing has been materially stolen, and if AI improves, then the result could some day in theory be indistinguishable from a human who was merely “inspired” by an existing piece of art. At the end of the day, the artist is not harmed by AI plagiarism; the artist is harmed by AI taking what could have been their job.

            • jsomae@lemmy.ml
              63·
              3 days ago

              the human brain follows the laws of physics; it therefore follows that human creativity is already computational.

              • patatas@sh.itjust.works
                46·
                3 days ago

                Three problems with this:

                1. If computation means “anything that happens in the universe” then the term ‘computation’ is redundant and meaningless.
                2. We do not know or understand all of the physical laws of the universe, or if those laws indeed hold universally.
                3. Our consciousness does not operate at the level of atomic physics; see Daniel Dennett’s ‘compatibilism’ defense of free will vs Robert Sapolsky’s determinism. If we’re vulgar materialists, then it follows that there is no free will, and thus no reason to advocate for societal change.
                • jsomae@lemmy.ml
                  4·
                  2 days ago
                  1. Your argument should not require appealing to desire to have the word computation be less redundant. (I don’t really think there’s a meaningful difference between computation and physics, we just generally use the term computation to refer to physical processes which result in useful information.) But why don’t we define computation as being “anything that can be done on a conventional computer (with sufficient time and memory)” – i.e. Turing-computable.
                  2. It is not relevant that we may not know all the physical laws of the universe; what matters only is whether there are laws or not. A scientist cannot cause free will to disappear from the universe simply by learning new facts about the laws of physics. (I would argue that if this were apparently true, then there was no free will to begin with.)
                  3. My understanding of compatabilism is that free will and determinism are compatible; in other words, the laws of physics can give arise to free will (consciousness, as you put it). I think there are some additional twists in compatabilism I don’t entirely understand, but that’s the gist as far as I have seen. In any case, compatabilism seems to me to be compatible with the idea that one can simulate a human brain; since the simulation and the original would produce the same result, then if one has free will, the other must have free will too. (Simulating it multiple times will always result in the same thing, which therefore means that it’s the same conscious experience – the same free will – each time, and not different instances of free will. In other words, consciousness is fungible with respect to simulation.) Simulation=computation, so therefore human creativity is computable.

                  Please note that I’m not arguing that current AIs actually are on the level of human creativity, just that there’s no law against that eventually being possible.

                  • patatas@sh.itjust.works
                    11·
                    2 days ago

                    The fact that we do not know or understand all the laws of physics (and again, if these are even indeed universal!) means that we cannot be certain about equating computation and physics - assuming we define computation as deterministic, as you seem to be doing here.

                    Can you ‘simulate’ a human brain? Sure, easy, all you have to do is just build a human brain out of DNA and proteins and lipids and water and hormones etc, and put it in an exact replica of a human body built from that same stuff.

                    We have no evidence that consciousness can be separated from the material body that gives rise to it!

                    And even if we try to abstract that away and say “let’s just model the entire physical brain & body digitally”: that brain & body is not an island; it’s constantly interacting with the entirety of the rest of the physical world.

                    So, you want to ‘simulate’ a brain with ones and zeroes? You’ll need to simulate the entire universe too. That’s likely to be difficult, unless you have an extra universe worth of material to build that computational device with.

                • lad@programming.devEnglish
                  3·
                  2 days ago

                  If we’re vulgar materialists, then it follows that there is no free will, and thus no reason to advocate for societal change.

                  No free will doesn’t imply no change. Lifeless systems evolve over time, take rock formation as an example, it was all cosmic dust at some point. So no, even if we do accept that there is no free will that shouldn’t mean perfect stasis

                  • patatas@sh.itjust.works
                    12·
                    2 days ago

                    I never said that no change would occur. I said there was no season to advocate for it if there is no free will.

      • Evotech@lemmy.world
        34·
        2 days ago

        Thank you, you can’t both love piracy (which lemmy overwhelmingly does) and hate AI

        • dil@lemmy.zip
          1·
          2 days ago

          plenty of examples where piracy harms no one devs get paid no matter what, ppl working on and making shows like south park that have 5 year deals, many devs get fired right after a game gets released they dont benefit if it does well, indie games i never pirate, I use the 2 hour steam window instead to see if I want it

          ai on the other hand lol, actively takes away jobs

    • GaMEChld@lemmy.world
      910·
      3 days ago

      If I saw the artwork myself and it inspired my artwork, would it be any different? Everything is based on everything.