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Cake day: June 15th, 2023

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  • I have a USA-centric view, and I’m not sure how old you are, but you don’t have to go back very far to have those same risk (or worse!) for different reasons.

    Like having casual sex can give lifelong diseases

    Social acceptance for seeking treatment is much better now than 20 or 30 years ago. Moreover, HIV was death sentence back then, not so much anymore with modern medicine. Even contraception was harder to get ahold of as a teen 30 years ago. Now if any teen needs contraception or birth control, there are many legal and legitimate ways for them to get it easily.

    the right wing bearing down on everyone’s freedoms (except theirs ofc),

    I love how far we’ve come in the areas social justice (and we have more do to here). 30 to 50 years being gay would render you a social outcast as a teen. Telling others you were an atheist may have got you disciplinary actions from your school. If we’re looking back 50 years, we’d be right on the edge of the end of the draft to be shipped off to the Vietnam war which happened to many 18 and 19 year olds. This says nothing about the negative experiences of people of color have received at the hands of law enforcement, justice system, an unequal treatment from the education system.

    I would never want to be a teenager now.

    I fully agree with you here. The biggest risk is for their childhood mistakes to follow them for the rest of their lives. After us old folks that didn’t grow up with forgettable childhoods die off, society will evolve to forgive youthful mistakes as it will be 100% of the population that has documented past mistakes they’re not proud of, but this current transition time will be painful for the younger generations.








  • It’s basic math, 1,000 pound battery packs x 3.3 million current vehicles.

    Its basic math with incorrect inputs. According to your own source only 600 lbs to 750 lbs of that requires “battery recycling” that needs special battery recycling facilities. You’re welcome to hang your hat on that if you want, I suppose, but it makes me question your other assertions.

    We do have some local recycling, but nothing at that scale and the batteries have a 15 to 20 year lifespan.

    I agree, but that also means its not an imminent problem. All of your language here is suggesting it is, unless I’m hearing you wrong.

    Maybe sooner because I’m sure those 2008 batteries are pushing it by now.

    This is what I’m talking about when doubting your arguments and urgency. In 2008 the SUM TOTAL of Tesla cars sold was less than 100. How about 2009? About 900 cars. 2010? Only about 400 cars. source

    In TOTAL there were only 2,450 Tesla Roadsters ( the first Tesla) made over 4 years and sold in 30 different countries.

    Tesla was around 2008 so by 2028 we need to have a plan for mass recycling.

    So if 100% of all the Tesla roadsters batteries died and were completely unusable in 2028 we’d need the recycling capacity of 100 batteries, and thats four years from now.


  • Piles of spent batteries stacking up leaking heavy metals into the envirionment without a large scale plan to deal with them.

    So again, you’re describing an avalanche type event where all this need for recycling appears overnight, and that without it we’ll have massive environmental damage. Neither of those is likely to occur like that.

    Small numbers of batteries will outright fail or be destroyed in crashes becoming useless immediately. This will increase in a fairly predictable way giving lots of indications about needed recycling infrastructure (of which some exists today). Further, the time horizon for larger numbers of batteries to become unusable is likely decades away. Batteries that degrade from use don’t stop working, but rather become uneconomical to continue to use them in cars and they be come stationary energy storage, like this:

    Old Nissan LEAF Batteries Being Used For Grid-Scale Storage In California

    Your source links don’t support your argument well. The first just talks about how much a car battery weighs with no mention of recycling, life span, or disposal, and you even posted an inaccurate number from your article on the weight impact of the battery materials. You said:

    A single EV uses a 1,000 pound battery pack (on average)

    …but your source says this: "On average, about 60 to 75 percent of a battery’s total weight comes from the cells and the materials they contain, while the remaining 25 to 40 percent is made up of the battery’s metal casing, cables, and thermal and battery management systems (TMS and BMS). "

    So the weight of the material you’re citing as dangerous is only 600 lbs to 750 lbs, not the 1000lbs you mention.

    Your second link also doesn’t contain any info on battery usage, degradation, recycling, or disposal, and is just an article talking about the number of cars on the road. It looks like you just took the first sentence from that link which was:

    "According to an Experian Automotive Market Trends report from the fourth quarter of 2023, there were about 3.3 million electric cars on the road in the U.S. "

    …which you then multiplied by the incorrectly heavy metal battery number from your prior article

    A single EV uses a 1,000 pound battery pack (on average)

    …to arrive at your statement…

    3.3 BILLION pounds of future battery waste.

    That’s an unnecessary and inaccurate scare tactic.

    Yes we will need more capacity for disposing of batteries properly, but the problem at scale is decades away, not tomorrow. Further, the materials themselves are valuable long after any energy storage capacity is exhausted. They are too valuable to throw away. Legislation already passed is working to create a market for this by offering tax incentives in the USA for batteries built from recycled battery material in the USA. This is in the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA). Here’s an actual source that talks about EV battery degradation, lifespan, and recycling. source

    “Then there’s the Inflation Reduction Act, also passed in 2022, which grants US taxpayers a federal tax credit on the purchase of a new EV. The act stipulates that a certain percentage of the materials used to create those vehicles must be mined or processed in the United States. This puts pressure on EV manufacturers to step up domestic EV battery recycling.

    So again, I’m not seeing the crisis you are.








  • I like the end result that ISPs are pushing back on this, but don’t mistake this for altruism on their part.

    Their businesses make money selling internet service. Were they to support cutting off those accused of piracy, they would be losing paying customers. Further, the business processes and support needed for this to function would be massively expensive and complicated. They’d have to hired teams of people and write whole new software applications for maintaining databases of banned users, customer service staff to address and resolve disputes, and so much more.

    Lastly, as soon as all of that process would be in place to ban users for piracy accusations, then the next requests would come in for ban criteria in a classic slippery slope:

    • pornography
    • discussions of drugs
    • discussions of politics the party in power doesn’t like
    • speaking out against the state
    • communication about assembling
    • discussion on how to emigrate

    All the machinery would be in place once the very first ban is approved.



  • It’s ugly af. Was that a project requirement or something? It looks like it has a fucking underbite lol.

    It is, but its pure function over form. If you want the whole story on this here’s a well done 13 minute youtube video: USPS Oshkosh NGDV Postal Van - Ugly by Design

    Short version for the ugly:

    • drivers need to stand up at full height inside for ease of use
    • drivers, when seated, need to see very close to the ground what is in front of them
    • drivers are not all the same torso height. Men are usually taller than women so you need a really tall windshield for very tall seated drivers, and very sharp and short hood for very short drivers.

    Its ugly, but is a very VERY functional design. I’d rather mail carriers are comfortable in their ride than feeling stylish.