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Google uses it too or used it at least, Google Talk etc. Facebook used it for sure. And as you already stated, nobody knows for sure if they still are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9266769

WhatsApp was build around XMPP, thats a fact. Before Facebook bought it. Just google it.

And it isn’t that hard to believe that a standard like XMPP is used by many companies. It’s like saying, “have you source that XYZ uses http/TLS or nginx”

But here, look. https://xmpp.org/uses/social/

Even Apple uses it.

As I said, “XMPP DeAd” nonsense is far from true.

undefined> Why does everything need to be free searchable on the internet?

imagine everything is behind a gateway of account + phone number. you wouldn’t be here on Lemmy because you would’ve never heard about it and couldn’t search about it, or reddit etc.

It’s not hard to get your head around why searching the internet is the most important part to get things going. You wouldn’t get ANY information if you need to get your phone number out for every single site/forum/whatever.

And if you have no experience with Discord and how it evolved over the last years, I can’t help you. Discord already replaces many sites and forums, or give support via Discord only… now these things are no longer searchable because people somehow like to idle in Discord servers and search for things in there.

If you can’t see the issue with this, even right now already and especially in the future if it continous like that, then I can’t help you, sorry.

What has discord to do with privacy? you really going the privacy route here while using Discord? Is this a troll or should I need to send you their privacy policy and tos? Nobody is talking about private chats you have with your buddies on Discord. Nodoby want to see this anyway. (expect Discord ofc) we are talking about PUBLIC discord servers with thousands of people in it, where content is posted that only is accesable via a gateway of making a discord account + phone number and is in no way searchable on the internet.

Now imagine, everything would be like that, you wouldn’t even be here arguing with me because you would’ve never known what Lemmy is or even reddit. Because nothing would be searchable on the internet.

Not sure what is so hard to grasp about that.

It is very well known that Synapse is a ressource hog. Heck, you can’t even enable presence because it would kill your server ressources. Why do you think almost all instances have it disabled? Cmpared to an XMPP server ressource usage, Snypase is a nightmare to host. I also hosted a public server for a long time.

XMPP standards: https://wikiless.ftw.lol/wiki/XMPP https://xmpp.org/extensions/ https://xmpp.org/about/technology-overview/

It’s literally as easy as running a docker container and editing a yaml file, at least for synapse.

just like xmmp is, difference is, matrix snypse uses like 20x the amount of ressources. Just try to host a public server for more than 100 people and you will know.

There is a reason why people make stuff like Conduit or the matrix team works on Dendrite as a new server.

This couldn’t be more wrong actually.

Xmpp is far from death. Just because many started to use matrix instead doesn’t mean it’s dead. Even though matrix is a Ressource and performance nightmare much more so than xmpp will ever be.

I’m an IT specialist and work in IT too. I also selfhosted a lot of stuff publicly.

XMPP is used by many companies like Facebook , Google, Nintendo, GitHub, zoom, WhatsApp, Apple etc.

Xmpp is a an official Standard.unlikr things like matrix.

And if you think that xmpp has battery issues.oeadays then that tells me you used any xmpp app like conversation/snikket etc. like many years ago.

My xmpp Apps use way less battery than any matrix app ever could.

XMPP is fast, reliable and just works. Matrix is a nightmare to selfhost, too.

IRC? Irc has no E2EE whatsoever. Therfore isn’t even comparable to xmpp with omemo or matrix.

Good. Discord is the cancer of the free searchable internet.

If you really need communication, use XMPP or Matrix.

And for everything else use stuff like forums and Lemmy and mastodon reddit Twitter whatever. But not closed walled gardens that are not searchable on the net. It’s astonishing that so many people gatekeep content behind this Discord crap.

Its actually simple. Tell them, its like Email. You have an email account at gmail, but can perfectly fine have email conversation with someone on outllook. Lemmy instance = the same as a web email interface of any email provider. Most people will get their head around that.