Why is it that progressives consistently lose elections but talk like they know how to win elections?

If progressives know how to win better than democrats why do they keep losing elections?

We are in an echo chamber. Downvotes on lemmy do not reflect a real world consensus on opinions.

Literally anyone can run in a closed primary. A closed primary means that only registered members of the party can vote in the primary.

Winning the primary decides whether or not someone can run as a candidate in the general election. Either you need that explained because you don’t know anything about primaries or you are pretending to not understand what you’re reading.

There are only 15 states that hold closed primaries. I live in a state with open primaries, and I’m repped by Ed Markey, Elizabeth Warren, and Ayanna Pressley. Not exactly a bunch of secret conservatives, is it?

Your reading comprehension is failing you again. Having no vetting process doesn’t guarentee the candidate is a “secret conservative” it just increases the chances of it happening. I’m surprised I need to explain that again.

It isn’t. Sit down, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

vetting noun [ U ] US /ˈvet.ɪŋ/ UK /ˈvet.ɪŋ/ the action of examining someone or something carefully to make certain that they are or it is acceptable or suitable for something

It’s literally the definition of what they are doing with closed primaries. Why does that need to be explained to you?

And giving people the choice between center right and far-right doesn’t motivate voters.

That choice was made by the voters.

LOL, how do you think letting anyone run as a candidate without vetting them will turn out?

Absolutely any bad actor will be able to run without intervention. The floodgates would be open. Which is probably what the bad actors calling for open primaries want.

Also, closed primaries don’t add any more vetting. They just mean that the only people who get to vote in the primaries are party members.

This is the definition of vetting. lol

Nah, they just cater to their corporate donors and folks that would never vote for them.

Because of Citizens United, this is a necessary evil. You either get donors or you lose from lack of funding.

Look at the progressives that lost recently because AIPAC out funded their competition.

Voters had to chose between two candidates, one on the left and one on the right. Voters chose the one on the right. Meaning not enough leftist showed up to vote.

Leftist don’t show up to vote > voters chose the option furthest right > leftists learn nothing, blame democrats and do it again next cycle.

This is why leftist keep losing elections and their legislation doesn’t get passed. They refuse to work with other ideologies and they don’t have enough voters to accomplish anything alone.

Democratic Party is made up of people the voters chose. Many of whom are moderate.

If leftists can’t get enough voters to change that, it won’t change.

Politicians don’t cater to groups that don’t vote.

They need to start poking bears. Use the laws even if outnumbered. Show force; show pressure.

These words mean nothing. They are not a strategy or a plan or even coherent.

You’re avoiding the fact that in a democracy, you need enough votes to make things happen.

Tell us what is happening. Get the word out. We can’t help if all we hear is what has happened.

We know what’s happening. That’s why we are having this conversation.

The rules have changed and democrats are still using a textbook from 1990.

What rules have changed? Republicans are breaking the rules by performing a coup. To even imply that democrats should do the same thing as republicans shows you’re arguing in bad faith.

And how will removing the vetting process impact the amount of candidates we get like Fetterman? It will increase them.

The primaries are where the party platform is shifted. It’s how the Republicans got first the Tea Party and then MAGA.

Which is why we need the DNC to vet candidates as much as possible. So we don’t end up getting some democrat version of Trump through open primaries.

If you don’t have enough elected officials to do anything then criticism is pointless.

Criticism is for when there is no threat to your ability to get elected.

Criticism before an election is secured, gives the opposition talking points to use against you. It also gives voters a reason to feel apathetic and not vote.

This guarantees leftist legislation doesn’t get passed and leftists politicians don’t get elected.

Involved in what way?

What do you mean by “only do politics on Election Day”

FUD works by sowing apathy to discourage a behavior. In this scenario, all that criticism is used by bad actors to convince people who would vote democrat to just stay home or believe that voting doesn’t matter because bother sides are the same.

Leftists fuel the anti-democratic propaganda machines with their ‘criticism’. Those ‘criticisms’ have consequences and in the end, prevent leftists legislation from being passed.

Did leftists stay home during the election and hand over the US to fascists because of spongebobcase?

Who gave up other than leftists on Election Day? Democrats are still trying to block legislation in the house and senate without a majority.

Filibusters don’t stop anything. Just delay it. Republicans are able to obstruct by tricking progressives into electing republicans like Fetterman and Sinema.

Democrats are obstructing legislation in the house as much as possible but they don’t have a majority so their success is dependent on republican infighting.

I wish leftists knew how to win elections so we could get politicians that vote on leftist policies. But leftists are unpopular among voters and consistently lose elections.

It seems like every time a progressive gets elected they end up being a republican like Fetterman and Sinema.

Yup, staying home on Election Day because of genocide leads to defeat.

They have been in the house of representative by using the republicans infighting against them. But again democrats don’t have enough elected officials to pass or block legislation because leftists continue to fail at winning over voters and getting elected.

What choice do we have? Leftists stayed home during the election because of gEnOcIdE. So now democrats don’t have enough elected officials to do anything. Thanks leftists!

Too many leftists stayed home during the election. Now democrats don’t have enough elected officials to do anything. But you probably knew that.

Democrats sure seem to want to work with Republicans, which leftist policies have they adopted?

Single payer healthcare, student loan debt relief, capital gains tax, increasing corporate tax rate, legal marijuana, all the UBI experiments have been done in democratic locations and that’s just off the top of my head. I’m sure there’s more.

The only thing stopping democrats from getting legislation passed is seats in Congress.

Leftist haven’t been able to get elected for barely any congressional seats so our leftist legislation is only as successful as leftist are at getting elected.

But leftist look for any reason to not vote (genocide or whatever the hot topic is that election cycle) and refuse to work with other ideologies. So they never get enough votes to actually get anything passed. The sad thing is they end up blaming democrats for their inability to get anything done so they never learn from their mistakes.