UnshavedYak

Expecting every different platform to all move in lockstep is not feasible so a situation where some support downvotes but some do not is going to have to be part of the process. Even if it was just kbin to kbin initially, that’d still be an improvement.

Yea, that is what i was thinking. I myself am working on some ActivityPub stuff and while compat is important to me, i also plan on potentially exposing new features in this manner. If other software wants to federate with it, cool, if not, whatevs. It’s data propagation, as with everything in ActivityPub it’s optional that consumers use it as desired.

Is ActivityPub not open to arbitrary extensions? I thought it was a very loose spec and the only concrete spec is an agreement between instance types. But i’ve not looked at the protocol closely yet, despite developing around it hah.

Weird, i can. Firefox, Linux.

Yup. I’m trying to design (trying! lol) my own little slice of Fedi with this same problem in mind. Social networks exploited some natural tendencies towards toxicity for engagement. We need (imo) some people to explore ways to mitigate that.

Yea and i don’t mean to imply this is something everyone needs to see as a problem. Plenty of things are addictive for some and not for others. Even regardless of addiction, i just want (to explore) a set of features that is kind of anti-reddit. Explore anything that can help me feel like i didn’t miss anything, while not needing to visit more than once a day, once a week, etc. That i felt informed but that the random stuff was filtered out. etcetc

From a developer, often these features don’t scale well either. Either complex to define (if customizable) or too costly to run, but Fediverse tweaks that a bit. We have the potential to have smaller servers with less concern for scale, etc. Fediverse has potential here, for me at least

You’re not seriously suggesting that a platform prevent its users from using it, are you? LOL where have I seen that in the news this week?

Jeez, this feels quite hostile.

I’m a developer. I’m working on this problem myself. You can craft features which promote a behavior or inhibit it. For example focusing only on live oriented features, making sure that posts show up constantly and with little ability to see what previous came, i would argue, focuses behavior on addictive FOMO. Features that help summarize historical posts to leave you with less of a feeling of FOMO does the opposite. Quite difficult to get FOMO if the summary of posts only changes once every 5 hours, right? You should see the ideas here. All of which i want to explore.

Features promote behavior. Some drive engagement, some reduce engagement. I seek features which reduce engagement by way of inhibiting FOMO and promoting the feeling of being informed on what it is you were seeking.

I’m suggesting a platform which focuses on features that help users avoid what i feel are negative outcomes. Which is wholly different than saying that all platforms need to do this. Why is this controversial to you? Should i, and users like me, not be able to use a platform which tries to eradicate (as best able) FOMO? Is FOMO other people experience somehow essential to you?

You can have whatever platforms you like. Just because an option exists does not mean it is hostile to your preferences. To me your reply seems short sighted, entirely focused on your individual use case and ignorant of a wide array of methods people want to use to interact with these products.

I am focused on my slice and my pie. You can have yours too, it’s okay.

Yup. Moreover, i want clients and implementations that help summarize and reduce doomscroll behavior. Social networks have value (imo), but they also have a cost and i’m tired of paying that. Reddit built a habit in so many of us to go back to it during any downtime, doomscroll more time than we wanted or expected, become overly invested in karma, arguments, etc. Reddit also has zero incentive to fix any of this, as it was perfect for engagement. Reddit is Facebook is Twitter, and i’m tired of those applications drugging my brain.

I definitely do not want Reddit. I want the value we got from Reddit, without the cost.

Yea, i’m working on my own Fedi software and i’m struggling with the point of boosting in the link aggregator context. It’s an odd overlap with Reddit-style reposting to appropriate subs, but based on the user.

It makes sense in the Twitter UX, but i struggle to find it’s place in the Reddit UX.

What’s the difference to users of the two platforms, in your eyes? I’m not familiar with the workflows of either Instagram nor DA

Yup, it’s like email but take away recipients. Yea, there’s sorta recipients, but you don’t really know who it’s federated with/etc. We (foss devs) need better optics here. UX is difficult, though i welcome ideas.

I agree… BUT, i think it’s important to also remember that for-profit like Reddit will have incentives to drive engagement patterns which can sometimes (i’m being generous heh) be toxic to the social atmosphere.

Opensource implementations have a chance to change interaction that is more favorable to the user, to the community, etc. I don’t believe Lemmy or Kbin offer much here, yet, but Tildes.net talks about this and makes an effort there.

I’d like to see a federated instance that puts more effort in this space. It won’t be what Redditors want… because, well, Reddit built addictive patterns and this is the opposite of that. But nonetheless i think we can make progress on Reddit-likes when we carefully analyze what ramifications Reddit features have.