Maybe they should leak the tech so that everyone’s missiles can be more accurate and have less collateral damage. Giving missile targeting systems to, say, Al Qaida is ethical, actually? 🤔

Maybe don’t.

Is there any way you can describe the appeal more specifically? I hated it but I’m trying to understand what people see in it.

“People used to live to be 900 years old.”

They also used to be able to fly, according to my dad, who was not happy with me when I laughed it off because I thought he was joking.

This is a really dumb perspective, in general. By that logic I could say, “If Holocaust denialism is so baseless, then why does it get censored so much? If there’s no truth to it, wouldn’t you want people talking about it?” No, it’s censored because it is baseless, because we don’t want people spreading around long debunked misinformation. Just because something is untrue doesn’t mean that people repeating it can’t create confusion, doubt, etc.

I mean, look at all the bullshit propaganda the right puts out, and because they have so much money backing it, strengthening their signal, it’s all some people ever hear, and if some spends thousands of hours watching Fox News, and the other side gets like 20 minutes once a year at Thanksgiving, which narrative they go with is going to have very little to do with what’s actually true.

That same far-right media sphere has spread out from the US to all sorts of small countries around the world. If you look at them, you’ll often find right-wingers in those countries screaming about shit that doesn’t even apply to their country, because it’s what this propaganda network told them to be mad about. I mean, fucking anti-mask protests in Japan, for example.

Regardless of your perspective on Tienanmen Square, this logic of, “If it’s not true then there’s no reason to censor it” doesn’t really hold up.

Articles like this are just funny to me. I mean, look at the way it starts, “China’s EV market is imploding: Beijing’s grand ambition threatens to take down the global car industry.” Both the title and the subtitle are telling you “China bad” but for completely opposite reasons. The subtitle wants you to be afraid that China’s EV market is going to be strong enough to dominate the global auto industry - China bad! But the title wants you to know that the EV market is failing because - China bad! It’s ridiculous, it really is a Catch-22 where the author will try to evoke negative feelings about China regardless of what they do or don’t do, regardless of what’s true or untrue, which is exactly what I’ve come to expect from this trash outlet, always full of the most chauvanistic takes imaginable.

As other commenters have pointed out, the auto industry is also propped up by government intervention in the US, particularly with tariffs. And naturally, this wave of protectionism (there and elsewhere) shrinks the market for Chinese cars, resulting in overproduction. A problem which the Chinese government has identified and has moved to address, as mentioned in the article. But of course, when the Chinese government makes an honest assessment of an internal problem, Western sources use that to blow it out of proportion. And the cheaper prices resulting from the reduced size of the market is presented as some sort of underhanded scheme, which in turn justified tariffs.

What would this article even look like, if you removed all the loaded language, all the scaremongering and shitting on China? “Tariffs lead to reduced demand for Chinese EVs, leading to lower prices.” There, done, saved you a bajillion words.

It’s insane how obsessed libs are with this shit. If you give them any opportunity to reaffirm their loyalty to the government they’ll leap at it with everything they’ve got.

The NYT is what billionaires want to tell me, and if they expect me to pay for the privilege they’re out of their minds. Oughta be paying me to read that trash.

If you were talking about actually independent sources providing other perspectives then you might have a point.

I mixed up the threads, which wouldn’t have happened if you hadn’t followed me around dragging it out into another thread in a desperate attempt to weasel out of providing the evidence that you don’t have because it doesn’t exist.

Evidence or GTFO.

Witch, tankie, sealion, fascist, it doesn’t matter the label, the tactics employed are the exact same.

lol this thread is off the rails and should probably get modded

Yes, it should be. I was trying to shitpost in peace when PJ comes here trying to start shit with me to distract from another conversation in order to weasel out of providing any evidence.

offered evidence of some (supposedly controversial) event.

Lol no he did not. Not even a shred. On principle, even.

See, I’m accused of being a witch, and by asking for proof that any witchcraft actually happened I’m questioning the Inquisition and proving my guilt.

How will I ever recover?

I did a wrongthink 😔

I’m so sorry. There are, in fact, three lights. I will never trust my own eyes ever again, I pledge to always follow whatever the group decides is correct and never again to think for myself or question what I’m told. I hearby renounce all standards of evidence and uphold the in-group’s symbolic beliefs as the highest authority of epistemology. Will you ever forgive me?

…still on the shitpost comm, yeah?

You’re still trying to get me into a debate, lol. You’re still hurling accusations with no basis in reality. Because you will neither provide evidence, nor will you GTFO.

Evidence, or GTFO.

Bro you come into this thread, guns blazing, attacking me and trying to get me into a debate, I tell you to leave me alone, and somehow I’m the one demanding you “debate me?” No, please, do not debate me. Please leave me alone. But if you are going to follow me around, attacking me and trying to get me to debate you, all I ask is one simple thing:

Evidence or GTFO.

That’s it. If you’re going to hurl accusations at me, then provide evidence that the things you’re attacking me for denying are actually grounded in reality.

Evidence or GTFO.

Do you deny the “white genocide,” yes or no?

Evidence or GTFO.

(That video is literally what you’re doing in this thread lol)

Evidence or GTFO.

That comic is not an excuse for rejecting the entire concept of evidence lmao.

Evidence or GTFO.

Evidence or GTFO.

Do you deny the ongoing US genocide of Italians? Yes or no. Do you deny the “white genocide?” Yes or no.

Evidence or GTFO.

No, I want you to provide evidence that the genocide you claim to exist actually exists. That’s all I want from you and from now on it’s the only thing I’ll say to you.