If they do, they probably want revenge for the Nakba in 1948, in where Israel has systematically expulsed and cleansed Palestinians from their native soil.
The Nakba was really bad and heavily shapes modern Palestinian consciousness, but nobody is seeking revenge for the Nakba itself anymore. It’s more about retaliating against much more recent and current offenses, mainly the Gaza blockade and settlements, resisting Israeli occupation and freeing Palestinian detainees.
They used the population of the Gazastrip as human shields, building there bases in the City sometimes near hospitals. Using human shields is a war crime.
Correction: Israel claims they used (and still use) human shields. Those claims have not been proven in any way. You’ll say they build their military bases and headquarters in cities, but literally every military in the world does that.
Hamas doesn’t want a two state solution,
Look up the 2008 and 2012 ceasefires. Hamas isn’t fundamentally opposed to a two-state solution. It’s not their preferred result, but they’ve taken part in serious peace deals more than once only for Israel to destroy the whole thing.
while Palestinian refugees fled to their side of the border or neighbouring states.
Technically not incorrect, but too much passive voice. Palestinian refugees were expelled by Israel, either by being directly told to leave or die or through massacres.
The terrorist attack that killed 1200 young Israelis
Another correction: The attack that killed 1200 Israelis, 33% of which were legitimate military targets and 66% of which were civilians. Don’t let Israel trick you into thinking Hamas just entered, killed a bunch of civilians and left, because that creates what they consider justification for their genocide.
1910s Irish republicans,
Wait really? I thought terrorism was more of a Troubles tactic.
Maybe provide examples? I see nothing that would prevent me from saying that with a straight face. There, lemme just…
Mondoweiss isn’t unconditional pro-Palestine propaganda. It’s a well-sourced pro-Palestinian news site.
Forget everything you know (or think you know) about the conflict for a second. Now look at what human rights groups, including the UN, have to say about what’s happening in Gaza and Lebanon. It’s called a genocide because it is; it’s really that simple and there are mountains of evidence published by the likes of Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and, again the UN. Also to dispell that particular piece of propaganda: they’re not trying to get the hostages back. If they were they’d turn the first ceasefire agreement into a “permanent” ceasefire (there are no permanent ceasefires in this conflict) and end the whole thing. They want to genocide and settle Gaza, so they’re doing that while sabotaging ceasefire negotiations.
By the way if you’re going to side with the side that has hostages, then you should read up on Palestinian detainees first. Long story short: Israel arrests Palestinians from the West Bank or (until 2005) Gaza for dubious or no charges—which they can do because these places are governed under Israeli military law rather than civil law—and sometimes torture them while stealing years of their life. Part of Palestinian resistance organizations’ raison d’etre is to return those people to their homes, which requires constant action because Israel arrests more Palestinians every day. There were already thousands of those detainees before October 7th and thousands more have been arrested after. Note: We’re not talking about Palestinians who are arrested for legitimate crimes doing their time here; these people were kidnapped as a punishment against Palestinians for existing. If this doesn’t sound like hostages to you, you should do some soul searching and ask yourself if you’re trying to learn or justify your beliefs.
This probably sounds biased to you, but I took care to only state verifiable, indisputably objective facts here Sometimes things are just that simple. That doesn’t make Hamas good guys; they’re more gray with some legitimate resistance actions and some straight up terrorism, and it’s not always clear which is which.
Finally, if you want to learn more about the conflict in general and about the conditions that drove Hamas to launch the October 7th attack to begin with, you should see what Amnesty International and other human rights groups have to say on the topic. The long story short is that Israel subjects Palestinians to Apartheid conditions along with a slow-burn genocide to serve their long-term goal of colonizing the whole Palestine and (to their more extremist factions) expand beyond it.
Mondoweiss isn’t unconditional pro-Palestine propaganda. It’s a well-sourced pro-Palestinian news site.
Okay I’ll just say: Y’all deserve Trump. Seriously. If this community is even remotely representative of politically active democrats then y’all had it coming. Why is it that when I’m representing a viewpoint that’s not considered here everyone’s kneejerk reaction is to dismiss that viewpoint and shoot the messenger? No matter how you feel about it the fact that there are people who think that and the fact that they have valid reasons for thinking that remains. Arguing with me about their opinions changes nothing, and neither does mocking them.
I mean it gets the customers status symbols and the manufacturers money. As long as those phones later end up on the used market it’s a win-win.
It is believable. I mean it’s happening, and denying that this sort of attitude isn’t part of the reason is denying reality. I never said it’s rational, because it isn’t, but it’s a thing and it’s partially leftists not understanding that that got you (and us since your elections affect everyone) into this situation to begin with.
I’m not American so I’m not voting either way. Also I wasn’t saying I’d vote Republican or condoning it, but the sheer condescension I saw in that exchange makes it more believable if this exchange is in any way representative of politically active democrat voters. I also didn’t say I was voting republican in any part of my comment so I’m curious where you got that from.
That aside, you said blueMAGA isn’t a thing but preemptively blaming genocide victims for not licking the boot hard enough (instead of, you know, acting in solidarity or holding your leaders accountable) is definitely blueMAGA behavior. Getting defensive whenever someone points the very real flaws in your genocidal candidate’s campaign strategy (that was, in fact, how this comment chain started) and how they’re treating their constituents is blueMAGA behavior. Resorting to name calling whenever someone makes an objective, non-opinionated statement that indicts your candidate, or—god forbid—actually have an opinion that doesn’t agree with your is blueMAGA behavior. How do I know? Because it’s regular MAGA behavior with a dash of blue paint. And before you resort to more name calling, these are all things I experienced in this very same comment chain, for making these two statements: “Of course Arab and Mudlim Americans aren’t voting for Harris how did anybody expect anything else” and "No it’s not because they want fascism how did you even come to that conclusion ". If you disagree with either statement you’re welcome yo try and actually refute them with arguments, but if the only thing you have to say is calling me a Republican/troll/whatever then don’t bother.
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With the attitude of democrats (the term blueMAGA is looking more appealing by the second) this election I think I know why people vote Republican. The sheer condescension and speed of rejecting any idea you don’t agree with is astounding and frustrating. You cry about everyone who doesn’t agree with you wanting to usher in a fascist dictatorship; I’ll be watching while you lose Michigan (and maybe one other state) to the groupthink.
Sigh Do you understand how condescending you’re being right now? I got zero sympathy for y’all if Trump loses. With this attitude you’re doing it to yourselves. By the way you should read this. It’s just a Lemmy comment, but it summarizes what I wanna say to you and people who act like you better than I can myself.
With the massive middle finger Harris has been giving Arabs since the start of her campaign, how the fuck are you surprised?
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You do realize this doesn’t make you look clever right?
Relevant:
When asked to assess their country’s military response against Hamas in Gaza, about four-in-ten Israelis say it has been about right. Another 34% say it has not gone far enough, while 19% say it has gone too far.
Israeli Arabs are much more critical of the military response, with 74% saying it has gone too far. Only 4% of Israeli Jews agree.
It’s no secret, really.
So omission bias? All this fanfare for omission bias? Nobody is using Mondoweiss as their primary news source; they have no reason to report on everything, especially an event like Nova music festival was reported on by everyone and their mother.