Maple Engineer

I thought they were leaving and going to one of the tankie instances now that their banning of anyone who questions their misinformation to preserve the pure thought of their echo bunker has been exposed.

They weren’t duped. They gleefully and knowingly pushed anti-American propaganda in support of the Project 2025 Handmaid’s Tale christofascist theocratic dictatorship. They knew where the money was coming from but didn’t care.

I’ve owned guns for almost 40 years. I fully support the restrictions on gun ownership in Canada. If you’re buying a gun for how it looks, for how it makes you feel, or for how you think it makes other people feel you shouldn’t own guns. Guns aren’t jewelry. They aren’t a fashion statement. They’re a tool. The argument that they are functionally the same falls flat on its face when you challenge them to use the functionally equivalent walnut stocked field gun because they aren’t buying it for how it works, they’re buying it for how it looks.

Naked with a pocket knife or no balls.

The gun nuts always argue that they should be able to have the scary guns because they are no more deadly than the hunting guns. If they’re functionally the same buy the hunting gun unless you’re buying it for how it looks. If you’re buying it for how it looks you shouldn’t have guns.

Not in Canada. It’s actually possible to hunt using rifles that aren’t modled on weapons of war.

I see the vegan brigade has arrived to try to silence me with impotent Lemmy downvotes. Welcome, everyone!

Profiting off the suffering of others isn’t acceptable behavior. Establishments that do so should be boycotted where possible and practicable. I think protest is a justified response.

Abuse. Torture. Murder.

Vegan extremists throw those words around like they are universal facts of animal farming. They are in large concentrated animal feeding operations (CAFOs) which is what the things that you might refer to as, “factory farms” are actually called. Small family farms, homesteads, and crofts treat their animals far better than CAFOs do. Animals aren’t abused or tortured on most family farms. When you use ridiculous inflammatory language like that most people stop listening to anything else you have to say.

Given two scenarios where I’m potentially wrong, the one where I’m mistaken and vegan is the one with a substantially more ethical outcome than the one where I’m mistaken and not vegan.

The issue isn’t you being vegan. Take the back of your hand off your forehead and calm down. I don’t care what you eat. If you want to eat vegan eat vegan. The problem is that the extremists start throwing around words like carnist, corpse muncher, blood mouth, cadaver, murder, etc. and no one takes them seriously anymore. I do the same thing when the extreme right uses the word, “woke” or the trans extremists use the word, “terf”. It immediately causes me to stop caring about anything else they have to say.

What exactly do you think I’m misrepresenting? Have you heard of the Antler Kitchen and Bar in Toronto and the months of threats, harassment, and abuse that was hurled at the owner and patrons in attempt to bully them into not eating meat?

Yes, I’m definitely picking the worst examples to illustrate my point just as someone else used the word, “murder” (the killing of one human being by another) four times when referring to non-humans.

I haven’t seen any posts come up in All where I said, “That looks really good. I would eat that.” I remember several photos of puddles of lumpy goo where I thought, “Ew”.

I’ve eaten plenty of vegetarian and vegan meals that I thought were delicious. I have no problem with vegetarians or vegans. I have a real problem with extremists no matter how they mistakenly believe that they are absolutely superior.

Its not really the eating meat part thats the bad bit, its that you have to murder an animal to get the meat. Notice there is no problem with lab meat or plant based meat.

The word you’re looking for is, “kill”. “Murder” is the killing of one human being by another. Using the word, “murder” ro refer to the killing of an animal is a bad faith attempt to use inappropriate inflammatory language to push your agenda.

I would hope everyone would aspire to exceed the standard of “does not murder things”.

Again, it’s not murder. It’s killing, but it’s not murder. If you want to be taken seriously use the correct word.

And yes I would argue that someone’s morals that allows them to murder anything, is almost always worse than someone’s morals that does not allow murdering.

You’re really fixated on murder but it’s the wrong word. It’s killing. You will plants when you eat them. You kill bacteria when you wash. Things die. It’s part of the cycle of life. Some things die and are consumed by other things.

Most people only ever hear anything from the extremists so you get painted with the same brush. I have friends who are vegans who are amazing people. I go out of my way to accommodate them. You are getting hate because of a very small group of fanatics who believe that they are absolutely morally superior and that that absolute moral superiority justified doing and saying anything to anyone who doesn’t agree with them in an attempt to shame, harass, and intimidate them into doing what they are told.

Have your considered simply minding your own business? No one wants you to serve them anything. The simply want you to keep your false sense of moral superiority and sanctimonious comments to yourself. It’s really quite simple.

I’ve seen some of the pictures that have been posted in c/vegan. Some of them were literally brown slop. My family eats a number of vegetarian and vegan dishes along with those that contain meat. I don’t care what anyone wants to eat, even if it is brown slop.

What if your behaviour towards other humans demonstrates a complete lack of any morality?

Who are you to force everyone else to do what your say? That sounds like slavery. Who are you to discriminate against those who eat meat? That sounds like the discrimination suffered by LGBTQ folks.

Who decided that you were morally superior and that anything you do is justified in the name of your moral purity?

That’s self-serving nonsense. Vegan extremists have been harassing and intimidating restaurateurs and their patrons attempting to drive them out of business or to comply with their demands to stop serving meat. That is not, “the terrifying act of talking”.

What if you’re mistaken about being morally superior? What if your actions toward other humans demonstrate a complete lack of any morality?

Self-absolution. I understand it but it is a logical failure.

Should anti-LGBTQ fanatics who are absolutely convinced that they are morally superior be able to discriminate against LQBTQ people?

Should anti-abotionists who are absolutely convinced that they are morally superior be able to harass and threaten women making the most difficult decision of their life? Should they be allowed to fire bomb clinics? Shoot abortion doctors and nurses?

Should white spremacists who are absolutely convinced of their racial superiority be allowed to refuse service to people of color? Burn crosses on lawns? Hang people of color from trees by the neck?

Where does the vegan fanatics self-absolution end? Fire bombing restaurant? Pipe bombs wrapped in nails in crowded restaurants that serve meat?

The ability to self-absolve is very VERY dangerous. It permits fanatics to justify any ammoral horror in the name of their mistaken moral purity.

Yup, that’s exactly the mistake that extremists make. There is a great quote from a judgement out of a court in the UK. Let me find it…

“But the plain fact is that each of you has some time ago crossed the line from concerned campaigner to fanatic. You have appointed yourselves as the sole arbiters of what should be done about climate change, bound neither by the principles of democracy nor the rule of law.

“And your fanaticism makes you entirely heedless of the rights of your fellow citizens. You have taken it upon yourselves to decide that your fellow citizens must suffer disruption and harm, and how much disruption and harm they must suffer, simply so that you may parade your views.”

This really sums it up. Sometimes fanatics are right. Often, they are wrong. Their ability to self-absolve their abhorent antisocial behavior is why so many people so violently hate them and it’s the reason that many vegans feel like they are being painted with the same brush. They’ve appointed themselves holy crusaders who will bully, harass, and intimidate anyone who doesn’t agree with them.

Precisely. They make the same mistake that all extremists make. They believe that they are morally superior which justifies anything they say or do to anyone they see as inferior. The problem is that the rest of the world does not agree with them so they are reviled for their antisocial behaviour then constantly whine about how the people they harangue treat them badly.

Pretty much.