Obviously they were inspired by the left handed devil.

X Æ A-12 would be proud

Yes.

Its been brought to my attention on a previous thread that if you’re attaching images to comments on Kbin, Lemmy users cannot see them.

I still very much dislike imgur though, so I wouldn’t suggest that as a solution. But embedding images into hyperlinks seems to be the best way to ensure your comment containing an image is viewed correctly by the wider fediverse.

Thanks for calling that out. It looks like attaching images directly to a comment only works for kbin instances. This is what it looks like from kbin.social. I just tried viewing this thread from lemmy.world and the images were not showing up.

To be honest, I don’t want to go through the effort of editing my comments to correct it right now. But in the future I’ll go back to hosting images and linking them in my comments, so anyone from any instance can see them. That’s a shame, because attaching images to comments in Kbin is super convenient. Oh well! Thanks again for letting me know.

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Now lets look at Beehaw’s technology community from lemmy.world:

On the one hand, this is not blocking 100% of the content from this community, which seems consistent with what I originally thought. Lemmy.world is not defederated with beehaw, so lemmy.world can see new content from Beehaw’s communities.

But on the other hand, there is a ton of content missing. And it’s not just federated content taking awhile to move from instance to instance, as I’m seeing posts from the last 24 hrs from Kbin that are not showing up on lemmy.world. So it appears that there is content that’s being blocked from getting to lemmy.world. But it’s not 100% of the content that’s being blocked?

To make matters more confusing, I can see content published by Beehaw users on a Beehaw community from lemmy.world. Wtf is going on.

Edit: Hi Lemmy users! You can’t see the screenshots I’ve attached to this comment. I’ve just learned this thanks to @B1naryShad0w. If you’d like to see my comments with the screenshots, please view this comment thread via kbin by clicking this link.

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I’ve looked at a few examples, and I’m just super confused now. I’ve also tried searching for a simple explanation of what exactly defederation does, and I keep seeing conflicting descriptions.

Let’s look at two examples (please bear with me as I only know how to attach one image to one comment at a time.) On this comment let’s look at AskLemmy, a lemmy.world community, from Beehaw:

Notice that all threads (with one exception) were posted almost a month ago when defederation happened. That one exception was a Beehaw user who posted to AskLemmy 5 days ago. So we can see that BeeHaw, having defederated from lemmy.world, is blocking 100% of new content from this lemmy.world community, except for that one thread published by a Beehaw user who seems to be out of the loop 5 days ago.

Mostly makes sense to me so far. Beehaw defedearted from lemmy.world, so Beehaw can’t see new stuff from this lemmy.world community. A little weird that there was a new post by a Beehaw user, but that still makes some sense with my previous understanding of how defederation worked, since I think(?) defederation is one-way. After all, if defederation was two-way, then how did a Beehaw user make a thread on lemmy.world?

That’s not how I understood defederation. If an instance defederates from you, that instance stops seeing stuff from your instance. But not necessarily the other way around, as defederation is a one-way action.

So if the Cow instance defederates from the Poopie instance, people from the Poopie instance can still see content and comments from Cow users. But Cow users cannot see content or comments from Poopie users. For the scenario you’re describing to take place, the Poopie instance would also need to defederate from the Cow instance.

That said, it’s still not quite shadowbanning. The admins of the defederated Poopie instance would be aware that Cows were not seeing their content. It would depend on the admins to inform the Poopie users that they’ve been defederated. If the users were not aware of the defederation, then it’d effectively be a shadowban.

I’ll make a single exception for this post, as it’s complaining about the people complaining. But if I hear someone complain about someone complaining about someone complaining, then so help me.

@NudelnAlDente Here is a fantastic comment by @EnglishMobster that describes the purpose of microblogs:

https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/129425/Can-some-one-explain-how-the-microblog-feature-works#entry-comment-507634

On Kbin I find that sorting by top, and then limiting top to the last 3 hours does a better job of showing stuff I’m subbed to. It’s not perfect, but better.

It remains to be seen. Imho, replacing the mods might as well be as bad as a ban. NCD has a really specific culture, and the shitposting really walks this tightrope between hilarious and annoying. The current mod team has, in my opinion, done a fantastic job of walking that line. Banning ERA posting is a good example. I’m not confident that they could successfully reshuffle the mod team without hurting the culture.

NCD was one of my absolute favorite subbreddits, and one of the few communities I was truly sad to leave behind. It looks like it may be destroyed anyway. Hopefully this means more users from the NCD community will move to federated communities like the one I’m familiar with on sh.itjust.works.

Exactly. I want to be empathetic to the dev, after all /u/Spez put them in an awful position. But scabbing for Reddit isn’t going to end well. Better to accept that the blow has been dealt, and to move onto the next platform and/or project.

What you’ve heard is right. If things keep progressing the way they are now, Kbin will also have mobile apps. It’s just that Kbin’s Application Programming Interface (API) isn’t finished yet. That’s what app developers need in order to easily make an app for Kbin. Lemmy does have an API, so that’s where most of the app development is taking place right now.

But Kbin will make it’s API available and there will be mobile apps for Kbin. I’m aware of at least one app that’s already in development, Artemis. The developer has a magazine here with a pinned FAQ: /m/Artemis.

yup we need more explanations like this. What we don’t want is knowledge being privately held and people being told “oh dont worry it all works just accept it”. That’s a recipe for alienation and disaster.

I think there’s a balancing act that we can achieve to this end. To use driving a car as an analogy, someone doesn’t need to know 100% of how a car works in order to learn how to drive it. But there are some basic mechanical things they can learn about that makes it safer for them. Like, how to check their oil.

If the barrier for entry for any social media, let alone Federalized social media, was 100% knowledge of everything, then no one would use it. However, there are absolutely a few things that should be known to stay empowered and safe.

what is a “fediverse”

The Fediverse is a collection of severs that talk to each other that publish info and host files. These severs are owned by lots of different people, they are hosted in many different locations, they run on different protocols. Kbin runs off of the Activity Pub protocol, so it can talk to other severs using Activity Pub. (The majority of the Fediverse uses Activity Pub currently).

Kbin has a Magazine where you can discuss the broader Fediverse: https://kbin.social/m/fediverse

What is a Magazine

A Magazine is what Kbin calls communities. We are currently on /m/RedditMigration (/m/ standing for Magazine). I just mentioned /m/fediverse. Some other good Magazines to note are /m/help for asking questions about Kbin, and /m/kbinMeta for discussing more administrative related issues about kbin.

exactly where is the info stored in the world

Lots of different places. If I recall right, Kbin is hosted both in Germany and Poland. But Kbin is not the Fediverse. Kbin is just one little part of it. So far, I’ve found this resource to be good to see more info about different servers: https://fedidb.org/network.

exactly who has control of which info

That is an extremely broad question. There’s lots of different information, different context in which that information is important, different touchpoints where different people might have control over what you see or don’t see.

Magazines or communities have moderators, much like how Reddit had moderators in Subreddits. Sever administrators can determine what instances they want to federate or defederate with. Individual users can block instances or other users.

Long story short, what makes answering that question so difficult is that the Fediverse is very decentralized. If we were talking about Reddit, then ultimately the puck stops with greddy little piggy /u/Spez, he controls your information. But since we’re on a much more decentralized platform, authority is held between many different people. I see it as a good thing imho.

Is there a diagrammatic wiki where all this is explained?

I have to answer a question with a question: what is a diagrammatic wiki? I’ve not heard of that before, and a quick google didn’t really give me a clear answer.

As far as where to go to have all this explained, the wiki article on the Feidverse is a good start imho if you really want to dig in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse. Otherwise, the magazines I listed earlier are good resources. There will be more resources in the future, this is all still very very new, particuarly on kbin. I’ve been piecing this all together by using the platform and learning about it for about 2 weeks.

This magazine (magazines are like subreddits or communities, they are called magazines on kbin) is hosted on kbin. We know this because the address for the magazine is @RedditMigration@kbin.social. The first @ sign is the name of the community, the second @ sign is the address of the instance that community is hosted on.

Your account address is @yesdogishere@kbin.social, so I can see you made your account on kbin.social. So you’re probably viewing this from kbin.social as well. Kbin.social is just an instance (a server) that you’re using to access the Fediverse.

So the community is on kbin.social, you’re on kbin.social, and I also happen to be on kbin.social. But that’s mostly just a coincidence. Say if my account were made on lemmy.world, then my account address would be @Helldiver_M@lemmy.world. Because lemmy.world and kbin.social are federated, a lemmy.world user could reply to my comment.

As far as your day-to-day browsing, this isn’t super important to know about. But it can be helpful. For instnace, sometimes federated content can take awhile to move from instance to instance. This thread is still pretty new when I’m typing out this comment, so it might not have shown up on other instances yet. That’s why if you look around right now, it’s mostly people with kbin accounts participating. But give it an hour or two, and there might be a few comments from people using different instances in the fediverse.

I know that was a bit of an info dump, please let me know if there’s anything else I can help clarify. I’m still learning this too and find it pretty interesting.

I was holding onto my account as well. That was until just a few minutes ago. I was browsing /r/all to see if there was any remaining discussion on the API shutting down. I only came across a couple of threads, all of which, to varying degrees, misrepresented what is going on. Comments making lite of the impact of 3rd party apps dying, and completely ignoring the fact that the owner of Reddit is acting with complete disrespect towards those who made the platform what it is today.

At that moment, I didn’t give a shit about my account anymore. Are there bots astroturfing the comment section? Maybe. Are there users who are acting a little smug because they don’t feel negatively impacted at all yet? Probably. Whatever. They can have whatever is left of the site.

I’m not going to stand for this. It feels like in life, there are so many bad things that happen that we have no control over. This is something I have 100% control over. It’s so simple, just never go on Reddit again.

It was never about Reddit in the first place. It was just about hopping onto a forum and talking about games, current events, memes, comics, art, cats, etc. If /u/Spez and his ilk are going to be so disrespectful towards those who want to facilitate said forum, then I’ll find another one immediately.

Thank you for giving us such a good mobile experience on reddit. RIF suited my needs perfectly and I am both sad to see it go and excited for whatever the future holds.

Hahaha. Or maybe “Operation PMC contract negotiation”.