“the First Amendment protects the right to gather information about what public officials do on public property.” Smith v. City of Cumming, 212 F. 3d 1332, 1333 (11th Cir. 2000).
Sure, you can gather that information. You can’t then put it out there publicly to help people break the law, and to put federal law enforcement employees lives in danger.
They’re not just collecting it though, that’s the point - they’re publishing it on an app that is specifically made to help people evade law enforcement and to target violence at law enforcement.
They’re not advocating violence, just reporting a fact. (A hammer is a tool, but also a murder weapon) But you do understand the power asymmetry of an unaccountable police force, right? And just how dangerous this is to civil society? There have been multiple accounts of excessive and incorrect deportations by ICE, with no visible effort to attempt to correct those problems. People are now using the meager tools we have left to try to enforce accountability, before there is only one last tool in the toolbox.
I want you to explain to me how when Google does it (allowing anyone with an app to report a speed trap - you know where law enforcement is present) it’s legal but when some random developer who’s not a multi-million dollar Corp does it, it’s illegal and obstruction.
In all actuality I believe the point of being able to report a speed trap is to allow people to avoid getting caught breaking the law which amounts to the same thing.
Google maps and Waze can absolutely be used to show where to attack law enforcement. They can also be used to avoid law enforcement. What you’re saying is that you feel like the intention of the app is to break the law in some way but you’ve been given a similar app that does basically the same thing and you back up nothing or what you’ve said with documented case law or even the laws you think this app is breaking. Cool. Good talk.
You can choose to break the law if you want, but you can’t then cry about it if/when you get caught. This guy can make his ICE-tracking app, but he has to live with the repercussions.
Nobody is crying about getting arrested. The fascists are arresting anyone they please without due process. The people risking their safety know the risks. ICE and the police are breaking the law by obscuring their faces and badge numbers, but you’re complaining about working class folks breaking laws written by the ruling class. Laws that they constantly ignore.
Anyone. Jesus christ have you not been watching the news? There have been countless American citizens detained by ICE because they don’t know, or care, what your legal status is when they arrest you. They just grab Anyone.
The app merely informs of locations, you choosing to add all that bullshit to it is your own hangup. Citizens who don’t want to be abducted by power tripping unidentified masked men - who’ve already been south to be violent and aggressive to random people regardless of status are also avoiding those areas. That’s not illegal.
Does her word override the first amendment?
There aren’t many exceptions, and what’s happening on a public street generally isn’t one of them.
Doxxing federal agents and putting their lives in danger is a crime. The first amendment doesn’t give you the right to do that without repercussions.
“the First Amendment protects the right to gather information about what public officials do on public property.” Smith v. City of Cumming, 212 F. 3d 1332, 1333 (11th Cir. 2000).
Sure, you can gather that information. You can’t then put it out there publicly to help people break the law, and to put federal law enforcement employees lives in danger.
Can you prove that people are breaking the law by the mere collection and existence of this data?
How about those Flock ALPR cameras showing up everywhere? Can we be sure the collected data is being used in accordance with the law?
They’re not just collecting it though, that’s the point - they’re publishing it on an app that is specifically made to help people evade law enforcement and to target violence at law enforcement.
They’re not advocating violence, just reporting a fact. (A hammer is a tool, but also a murder weapon) But you do understand the power asymmetry of an unaccountable police force, right? And just how dangerous this is to civil society? There have been multiple accounts of excessive and incorrect deportations by ICE, with no visible effort to attempt to correct those problems. People are now using the meager tools we have left to try to enforce accountability, before there is only one last tool in the toolbox.
lol no one believes that, not even you.
How are they “unaccountable”, and how is that even relevant?
Are you a lawyer? What law are you citing?
Obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting, to name a few.
I want you to explain to me how when Google does it (allowing anyone with an app to report a speed trap - you know where law enforcement is present) it’s legal but when some random developer who’s not a multi-million dollar Corp does it, it’s illegal and obstruction.
I’ll wait for your list of case law.
Waze and Google maps don’t let you report them for the purpose of helping illegal immigrants avoid law enforcement, or to tell people where to attack.
In all actuality I believe the point of being able to report a speed trap is to allow people to avoid getting caught breaking the law which amounts to the same thing.
Google maps and Waze can absolutely be used to show where to attack law enforcement. They can also be used to avoid law enforcement. What you’re saying is that you feel like the intention of the app is to break the law in some way but you’ve been given a similar app that does basically the same thing and you back up nothing or what you’ve said with documented case law or even the laws you think this app is breaking. Cool. Good talk.
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Bit of a meltdown you had there mate. Are you ok?
Yes, we should follow the laws like our government officials and police always do. Give me a fucking break lmao.
You can choose to break the law if you want, but you can’t then cry about it if/when you get caught. This guy can make his ICE-tracking app, but he has to live with the repercussions.
Nobody is crying about getting arrested. The fascists are arresting anyone they please without due process. The people risking their safety know the risks. ICE and the police are breaking the law by obscuring their faces and badge numbers, but you’re complaining about working class folks breaking laws written by the ruling class. Laws that they constantly ignore.
Anyone, or just those in the country illegally? Also law enforcement officers aren’t “fascists” just because they’re LEOs.
You asleep or something?
Anyone. Jesus christ have you not been watching the news? There have been countless American citizens detained by ICE because they don’t know, or care, what your legal status is when they arrest you. They just grab Anyone.
Multiple natural born citizens have been kidnapped by ICE. Surely you’ve heard of that under your rock by now.
Showing the current location of [what is supposed to be] a public servant in a public location acting publicly is not doxxing.
The purpose of the app is to help illegal immigrants evade arrest, and to help “activists” assault and impede ICE. All illegal things.
The app merely informs of locations, you choosing to add all that bullshit to it is your own hangup. Citizens who don’t want to be abducted by power tripping unidentified masked men - who’ve already been south to be violent and aggressive to random people regardless of status are also avoiding those areas. That’s not illegal.
ICE are the ones breaking the law.