Nope, stopped voting for them after Obama, which in retrospect, he and Clinton were big mistakes. Voted Green party. I can walk away knowing I did not vote for a pro-genocide, anti-worker party.
Great work!?!? Atta boy!?!? What are ya looking for here? The world is burning and you didn’t bother to do the one small thing that could have made a difference, and you think that’s something to brag about?
Over 10,000 people have died so far just from USAID cuts, and another 23,000 from the PEPFAR funding freeze. Those numbers alone are ticking up faster than the Gaza death toll,which is still happening BTW. But, not to worry, Rodneyck kept his integrity, and that’s what’s really important.
Politics is about achieving the best possible outcome, not making personal virtue statements.
Great work!?!? Atta boy!?!? Keep putting the neo-libs/neo-cons in power because orange man bad! Your vote for Clinton gave us NAFTA, a free trade agreement that created the economic mess, shipping jobs overseas and destroying our industry here in the US, a nightmare that we are living through today. How many lives destroyed, tent cities has your vote created?
By any measure, NAFTA and its sequels has been a major contributor to the rising inequality of incomes and wealth that Barack Obama bemoans in his speeches.
Speaking of Barack, your vote allowed him to immediately pivot to bailing out banks allowing them to give their CEO’s bonuses during one of the largest housing crisis, they created btw, displacing homeowners across the country. He also didn’t really put any regulations in place to prevent this happening again, which many analyst predict will be soon. Those banks, btw, also funded a lot of his campaign. How many lives destroyed there with your vote?
Politics is about achieving the best possible outcome, and not making personal decisions to compromise your morals.
this is the only way that can hold them accountable and i wish more people would see this and realize that they have other options besides democrat or republican.
I can’t imagine how you can see Democrats lose or nearly lose three elections in a row to Trump and come away thinking that they aren’t the problem. Your blind allegiance to party over policy is the reason why Trump is yet again sitting in the oval office.
I have no allegiance to the Democrats. They suck balls. However I take a practical view and recognize that I am currently stuck in a sham democracy still using FPTP voting. As an individual voter, my power lies in messaging and lobbying, while damage control is the best I can do at the ballot box for any race that’s outside of my local city/county. Following my “true conscience” at the ballot box and splitting the vote only leads to situations that we are now stuck in.
Thank you for putting words in my mouth though, as every hardcore third party “progressive” loves to do on Lemmy.
I am currently stuck in a sham democracy still using FPTP voting.
As an individual voter, my power lies in messaging and lobbying.
Following my “true conscience” at the ballot box and splitting the vote only leads to situations that we are now stuck in.
So the messaging is just keep voting Democrat no matter what and no matter how bad they fuck things up? You’re stuck in this system yet your messaging is telling us to perpetuate this very system by refusing to do anything differently?
Refusing to acknowledge how far right the Democrats have gone while burying your head in the sand with the “vote blue no matter who” mentality as they support genocide, harm the working class, and do whatever they can to aid Republicans is why we’re in this situation. These parties are two sides of the same coin. As someone else put it in another comment earlier, they’re playing “good cop bad cop” and you’re demanding that we submit to the good cop because they’re so nice and polite as they work to take your freedom from you.
to be fair the gop also has significant help, in the form of propaganda and voting mahcine rigging too, plus voter suppression. nobody was willing to question the machines being rigged.
Can we roll the tape of all the democrats who yelled voter rigging when Hillary lost, not to mention Hillary herself? That is a neo-lib/neo-con mechanism both sides play when it suits them.
“Harm reduction” is hilarious. It’s like you’re channeling your inner George W. Bush while talking about “enhanced interrogation.”
What does game theory tell you about a strategy that’s failed nearly three times in a row and given us Trump as president twice with all branches of government now being controlled by Republicans?
It’s absolutely all about party allegiance when you refuse to even face the reality of our situation and want to attack those who refuse to bury their heads in the sand. The Democrats aren’t the good guys. 🙄
What we need is a real worker’s party, but the system is so corrupt, bought and paid for by big everything, corps/banks/pharma/Israel, it would take a miracle. The only way I see it happening and gaining strength is when the uni-party system goes too far. They both want a fascist state because they both are for big business who want us all as slaves. Break the oligarchs and restrict their companies and maybe we will have a chance, else buckle up.
the worker’s party is already here and the uniparty system will falter when it goes so far that the masks of deniability and respectability are unable too keep covering it. the oligarchies have successfully lobbied for laws and manufactured narratives that leave us w no viable alternatives besides buckling up; it’ll behoove us all to be mentally prepared for it sooner rather than later.
what difference does it make? we’re going to vote for them in the next election anyways.
Nope, stopped voting for them after Obama, which in retrospect, he and Clinton were big mistakes. Voted Green party. I can walk away knowing I did not vote for a pro-genocide, anti-worker party.
Great work!?!? Atta boy!?!? What are ya looking for here? The world is burning and you didn’t bother to do the one small thing that could have made a difference, and you think that’s something to brag about?
Over 10,000 people have died so far just from USAID cuts, and another 23,000 from the PEPFAR funding freeze. Those numbers alone are ticking up faster than the Gaza death toll,which is still happening BTW. But, not to worry, Rodneyck kept his integrity, and that’s what’s really important.
Politics is about achieving the best possible outcome, not making personal virtue statements.
Great work!?!? Atta boy!?!? Keep putting the neo-libs/neo-cons in power because orange man bad! Your vote for Clinton gave us NAFTA, a free trade agreement that created the economic mess, shipping jobs overseas and destroying our industry here in the US, a nightmare that we are living through today. How many lives destroyed, tent cities has your vote created?
Speaking of Barack, your vote allowed him to immediately pivot to bailing out banks allowing them to give their CEO’s bonuses during one of the largest housing crisis, they created btw, displacing homeowners across the country. He also didn’t really put any regulations in place to prevent this happening again, which many analyst predict will be soon. Those banks, btw, also funded a lot of his campaign. How many lives destroyed there with your vote?
Politics is about achieving the best possible outcome, and not making personal decisions to compromise your morals.
this is the only way that can hold them accountable and i wish more people would see this and realize that they have other options besides democrat or republican.
I’m glad you’re conscience is clear, as you most likely won’t be allowed to vote in the next election at all. Congrats you won!
I can’t imagine how you can see Democrats lose or nearly lose three elections in a row to Trump and come away thinking that they aren’t the problem. Your blind allegiance to party over policy is the reason why Trump is yet again sitting in the oval office.
I have no allegiance to the Democrats. They suck balls. However I take a practical view and recognize that I am currently stuck in a sham democracy still using FPTP voting. As an individual voter, my power lies in messaging and lobbying, while damage control is the best I can do at the ballot box for any race that’s outside of my local city/county. Following my “true conscience” at the ballot box and splitting the vote only leads to situations that we are now stuck in.
Thank you for putting words in my mouth though, as every hardcore third party “progressive” loves to do on Lemmy.
So the messaging is just keep voting Democrat no matter what and no matter how bad they fuck things up? You’re stuck in this system yet your messaging is telling us to perpetuate this very system by refusing to do anything differently?
Refusing to acknowledge how far right the Democrats have gone while burying your head in the sand with the “vote blue no matter who” mentality as they support genocide, harm the working class, and do whatever they can to aid Republicans is why we’re in this situation. These parties are two sides of the same coin. As someone else put it in another comment earlier, they’re playing “good cop bad cop” and you’re demanding that we submit to the good cop because they’re so nice and polite as they work to take your freedom from you.
to be fair the gop also has significant help, in the form of propaganda and voting mahcine rigging too, plus voter suppression. nobody was willing to question the machines being rigged.
Can we roll the tape of all the democrats who yelled voter rigging when Hillary lost, not to mention Hillary herself? That is a neo-lib/neo-con mechanism both sides play when it suits them.
It’s not “allegiance to the party;” that’s a fucking lie. It’s understanding of game theory and harm reduction.
Quit your bullshit.
“Harm reduction” is hilarious. It’s like you’re channeling your inner George W. Bush while talking about “enhanced interrogation.”
What does game theory tell you about a strategy that’s failed nearly three times in a row and given us Trump as president twice with all branches of government now being controlled by Republicans?
It’s absolutely all about party allegiance when you refuse to even face the reality of our situation and want to attack those who refuse to bury their heads in the sand. The Democrats aren’t the good guys. 🙄
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Low effort, give-in and and vote for the lessor evil. Congrats YOU won!
it’ll be just like living in texas before trump and i welcome you to the club
What we need is a real worker’s party, but the system is so corrupt, bought and paid for by big everything, corps/banks/pharma/Israel, it would take a miracle. The only way I see it happening and gaining strength is when the uni-party system goes too far. They both want a fascist state because they both are for big business who want us all as slaves. Break the oligarchs and restrict their companies and maybe we will have a chance, else buckle up.
the worker’s party is already here and the uniparty system will falter when it goes so far that the masks of deniability and respectability are unable too keep covering it. the oligarchies have successfully lobbied for laws and manufactured narratives that leave us w no viable alternatives besides buckling up; it’ll behoove us all to be mentally prepared for it sooner rather than later.