I can’t tell if you’re being deliberately obtuse or you really just can’t see beyond your own lived experience. Either way, your worldview is problematic, and you’re standing on the side of fascists.
You don’t need an ID for a job. You just need a social security number. Same for social services. And if you want to bail on society and live in the woods, you still have the right to vote. Thinking it’s OK to make it harder to vote just because you don’t respect the people who will have a harder time is about as anti-american as it gets.
“On the form, an employee must attest to their employment authorization. The employee must also present their employer with acceptable documents as evidence of identity and employment authorization. The employer must examine these documents to determine whether they reasonably appear to be genuine and relate to the employee, then record the document information on the employee’s Form I-9.”
You either need 1 item from list A or 1 item from list B and one from C.
LIST A
Documents that Establish Both Identity
and Employment Authorization
U.S. Passport or U.S. Passport Card
Permanent Resident Card or Alien
Registration Receipt Card (Form I-551)
Foreign passport that contains a
temporary I-551 stamp or temporary
I-551 printed notation on a machine-
readable immigrant visa
Employment Authorization Document
that contains a photograph (Form I-766)
For an individual temporarily authorized
to work for a specific employer because
of his or her status or parole:
a. Foreign passport; and
b. Form I-94 or Form I-94A that has
the following:
(1) The same name as the
passport; and
(2) An endorsement of the
individual’s status or parole as
long as that period of
endorsement has not yet
expired and the proposed
employment is not in conflict
with any restrictions or
limitations identified on the form.
Passport from the Federated States of
Micronesia (FSM) or the Republic of the
Marshall Islands (RMI) with Form I-94 or
Form I-94A indicating nonimmigrant
admission under the Compact of Free
Association Between the United States
and the FSM or RMI
OR - 1 from B and one from C:
LIST B
Documents that Establish Identity
Driver’s license or ID card issued by a State or
outlying possession of the United States
provided it contains a photograph or
information such as name, date of birth,
gender, height, eye color, and address
ID card issued by federal, state or local
government agencies or entities, provided it
contains a photograph or information such as
name, date of birth, gender, height, eye color,
and address
School ID card with a photograph
Voter’s registration card
U.S. Military card or draft record
Military dependent’s ID card
U.S. Coast Guard Merchant Mariner Card
Native American tribal document
Driver’s license issued by a Canadian
government authority
For persons under age 18 who are
unable to present a document
listed above:
School record or report card
Clinic, doctor, or hospital record
Day-care or nursery school record
Acceptable Receipts
LIST C
Documents that Establish Employment
Authorization
A Social Security Account Number card,
unless the card includes one of the following
restrictions:
(1) NOT VALID FOR EMPLOYMENT
(2) VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH
INS AUTHORIZATION
(3) VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH
DHS AUTHORIZATION
Certification of report of birth issued by the
Department of State (Forms DS-1350,
FS-545, FS-240)
Original or certified copy of birth certificate
issued by a State, county, municipal
authority, or territory of the United States
bearing an official seal
Native American tribal document
U.S. Citizen ID Card (Form I-197)
Identification Card for Use of Resident
Citizen in the United States (Form I-179)
Employment authorization document
issued by the Department of Homeland
Security
A social security card only shows you’re authorized to work in the United States, it’s not proof of identity.
In fact, back in the day, it used to say directly on it “Not for Identification.”
Keep going and see if you can find the documents you can get without an ID. One of them is particularly relevant to the important point of this discussion.
In order to have a life that looks like mine you need ID. I don’t see how people without ID do it. I don’t they’re being deliberately obtuse. Life is hard enough and most of us have a hard time understanding how different other people’s lives can be.
Right, but that’s exactly my point. It’s important to understand that everyone has a right to vote, and not just the people who have a life that looks like yours. And if you’re willing to take rights away from people who aren’t like you, then you’re the oppressor.
Everyone who wants a job, house, bank account, doctor, etc. etc. needs at least an ID card.
It’s not possible to function in modern society without identification.
I can’t tell if you’re being deliberately obtuse or you really just can’t see beyond your own lived experience. Either way, your worldview is problematic, and you’re standing on the side of fascists.
It’s super simple:
If you want a job, you have to have ID.
If you want social services, you also have to have ID.
If you bail and are living in the woods like a wildman, good for you, but you aren’t voting, and the number of people doing that is not significant.
You don’t need an ID for a job. You just need a social security number. Same for social services. And if you want to bail on society and live in the woods, you still have the right to vote. Thinking it’s OK to make it harder to vote just because you don’t respect the people who will have a harder time is about as anti-american as it gets.
Yes, yes, you do.
It’s called an I-9 form.
https://www.uscis.gov/i-9
“On the form, an employee must attest to their employment authorization. The employee must also present their employer with acceptable documents as evidence of identity and employment authorization. The employer must examine these documents to determine whether they reasonably appear to be genuine and relate to the employee, then record the document information on the employee’s Form I-9.”
You either need 1 item from list A or 1 item from list B and one from C.
LIST A
Documents that Establish Both Identity and Employment Authorization
U.S. Passport or U.S. Passport Card
Permanent Resident Card or Alien Registration Receipt Card (Form I-551)
Foreign passport that contains a temporary I-551 stamp or temporary I-551 printed notation on a machine- readable immigrant visa
Employment Authorization Document that contains a photograph (Form I-766)
For an individual temporarily authorized to work for a specific employer because of his or her status or parole: a. Foreign passport; and b. Form I-94 or Form I-94A that has the following: (1) The same name as the passport; and (2) An endorsement of the individual’s status or parole as long as that period of endorsement has not yet expired and the proposed employment is not in conflict with any restrictions or limitations identified on the form.
Passport from the Federated States of Micronesia (FSM) or the Republic of the Marshall Islands (RMI) with Form I-94 or Form I-94A indicating nonimmigrant admission under the Compact of Free Association Between the United States and the FSM or RMI
OR - 1 from B and one from C:
LIST B
Documents that Establish Identity
Driver’s license or ID card issued by a State or outlying possession of the United States provided it contains a photograph or information such as name, date of birth, gender, height, eye color, and address
ID card issued by federal, state or local government agencies or entities, provided it contains a photograph or information such as name, date of birth, gender, height, eye color, and address
School ID card with a photograph
Voter’s registration card
U.S. Military card or draft record
Military dependent’s ID card
U.S. Coast Guard Merchant Mariner Card
Native American tribal document
Driver’s license issued by a Canadian government authority
For persons under age 18 who are unable to present a document listed above:
School record or report card
Clinic, doctor, or hospital record
Day-care or nursery school record Acceptable Receipts
LIST C
Documents that Establish Employment
Authorization
A Social Security Account Number card, unless the card includes one of the following restrictions:
(1) NOT VALID FOR EMPLOYMENT
(2) VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH INS AUTHORIZATION
(3) VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION
Certification of report of birth issued by the Department of State (Forms DS-1350, FS-545, FS-240)
Original or certified copy of birth certificate issued by a State, county, municipal authority, or territory of the United States bearing an official seal
Native American tribal document
U.S. Citizen ID Card (Form I-197)
Identification Card for Use of Resident Citizen in the United States (Form I-179)
Employment authorization document issued by the Department of Homeland Security
A social security card only shows you’re authorized to work in the United States, it’s not proof of identity.
In fact, back in the day, it used to say directly on it “Not for Identification.”
Did you read it? Read it again, more carefully.
This bit?
“The employee must also present their employer with acceptable documents as evidence of identity”
I’ve been responsible for PROCESSING I-9 forms, not just filling them out. Yes, you do in fact need ID to get a job.
Keep going and see if you can find the documents you can get without an ID. One of them is particularly relevant to the important point of this discussion.
Documents you can get without a prior ID, these are still ID:
One from column B:
School ID card with a photograph
U.S. Military card or draft record
U.S. Coast Guard Merchant Mariner Card
Native American tribal document
For persons under age 18 who are unable to present a document listed above:
School record or report card
Day-care or nursery school record
In order to have a life that looks like mine you need ID. I don’t see how people without ID do it. I don’t they’re being deliberately obtuse. Life is hard enough and most of us have a hard time understanding how different other people’s lives can be.
Right, but that’s exactly my point. It’s important to understand that everyone has a right to vote, and not just the people who have a life that looks like yours. And if you’re willing to take rights away from people who aren’t like you, then you’re the oppressor.