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Just make a new kernel or something 🤷
Linux leadership: we are running dogs for American empire and will eagerly implement all chauvinisy policies in our “international” open source project. Sure we can insult you and lie and make bigoted comments.
Are you all stoked for major forks? Because this is how you get major forks. Presimably they will start as patches on upstream, but decoupling would be an eventuality.
With the state of western software development and how ingrained the US and Israeli security state seems to be there, plus how much China seems to be prioritizing top-to-bottom self-sufficiency in tech, I wouldn’t be surprised if a Chinese fork that welcomes Russian contributors becomes a force unto itself.
An ecosystem where India, Russia, and China based coders take leadership is an ecosystem that has a bigger chance for mass adoption in the biggest manufacturing economies in the world.
Yeah it’s cutting off the nose to spite the face. Stupid move by the kernel admins. If you’re gonna start banning people from contributitg because of shut their government does, then the entire US and Israeli population of Linux devs should be dropped.
The cold war is reborn and this time it’s warmer. Do people not understand that before 30 years ago no communication occured with countries behind the iron curtain. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine put us on a path back to those kind of relations.
The new cold war started long before Russia invaded. Google Victoria Newlands involvement in the maidan coup that triggered it
Naw fam this is just stupid. We need global collaboration that’s what open source is all about.
This is all very sad.
Two comments about this:
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It is my firm belief that 99% of the population of any country ruled by a dictator are the primary victims of that dictator, don’t condone what their rulers do, have done nothing wrong and are just trying to be good people in unfavorable circumstances.
The Russians are no different and it isn’t fair to impose on Russian individuals of obvious good will the treatment governments apply to the Russian government, because the Russian government and the Russian people are two very different things.
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Linus said in this interview:
I’m Finnish. Did you think I’d be supporting Russian aggression?
and here I’m telling you this: Linus acts like a dipshit.
I know the Finns very, VERY well, and while they’re generally great people, when it comes to Russia and Russians, they have epidermic reactions of totally unreasonable proportions.
I understand where they’re coming from and why they react like that, but Russia is to the Finnish people what peanuts are to someone with a peanut allergy: the reaction is totally disproportionate and with zero nuances.
Don’t ever try to argue with a Finn that a Russian person can be good, and that Putin is also their enemy: the Finn will shut down and stop talking to you - meaning, in their culture, that you can politely go fuck yourself.
And that’s what we’re witnessing here with Linus: however many years he’s lived in California, he still hasn’t shed that part of his upbringing, and quite frankly, shame on him.
Don’t ever try to argue with a Finn that a Russian person can be good, and that Putin is also their enemy: the Finn will shut down and stop talking to you - meaning, in their culture, that you can politely go fuck yourself.
I cracked up reading this. It’s not like that these days. Some people are and it used to be worse but things have changed a bunch.
The Russian attack into Ukraine soured things again though. Not that that’s an excuse, rather it just happened following that.
Finland were Nazi collaborators and aligned with the Axis. After the Soviets let them do their own thing, they have been trying to create new national myths of how actually they were good people that didn’t send thousands of Jews to their deaths. This kind of apologia manifests as Russophobia and the various ahistorical recuperations of WWII omnipresent in Western media.
It is like asking a racist Southerner about the Confederacy. You will hear lost cause apologia. Now imagine if they were their own country writing their own history books and media putsches. Now imagine their narrative was slotted into the historical revisionism of the strongest superpower. That is how you get such racist Finns.
lmao
Another great one is “larry thorne”, aka Lauri Törni, a finnish nazi (buried with the highest honors in USA’s Arlington cemetary btw) who fought against communists and lost 3 times (twice against the USSR, then took an L in Vietnam).
This wiki sidebar sure is one
Weird meme since Finland and Finns are very open about who Finland sided with and it’s very commonly talked about too. If anything it should rather be that we’re too nonchalant about it rather than trying to hide it somehow.
they were good people that didn’t send thousands of Jews to their deaths
I’m not sure how you’ve counted it but the number for those who were given to the Germans was eight refugees and “some tens” of (Soviet) PoWs. A pretty far cry from the “thousands” you mentioned, but as I said, I’m not sure what you are counting.
For a long time the war and stuff like this was a sore point and the heroic myth overruled everything but since at least for a decade this particular topic has got a lot of public discourse. The heroic myth still lives on though, even if it is milder than it used to be.
I’m not sure how you’ve counted it but the number for those who were given to the Germans was eight refugees and “some tens” of (Soviet) PoWs.
That is the official ahistorical line. Actual historical work accounts for thousands.
Can you share some of these works?
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https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Russian-Devs
UPDATE: When asked whether Linus Torvalds was under any sort of NDA around this, he responded:
"No, but I’m not a lawyer, so I’m not going to go into the details that I - and other maintainers - were told by lawyers.
I’m also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them."
Linus was always really, really stupid politically. It’s truly amazing he’s outlived the Linux foundation.
but the key words are “sanctions”, “sorry”, “nothing I can do”
It seems like it has more to do with the us goverment, still, this is some bs level i havent seen in a while.
Not only they were banned, they removed them from the credits! this is bs.
thats a lot of words for contributing for a single year, only half of which was ‘volunteer’
A little bit statics of my kernel-work at the end:
Signed-off patches: 518 Reviewed and Acked patches: 253 Tested patches: 80
You might say not the greatest achievement for seven years comparing to some other developers. Perhaps. But I meant each of these tags, be sure.
I think he wrote that he had been contributing for about 7 or 8 years, and only the last one was as a volunteer.
ahhh, this is the line i was referring to… maybe i misunderstood
my work for the community has been purely volunteer for more than a year now (and less than half of it had been payable before that).
thats a lot of words for contributing for a single year, only half of which was ‘volunteer’
How long have you been contributing?
47
That’s remarkable considering Linux is only 33 years old.
amazing right
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