In recent months, we’ve seen the automotive industry pivot away from a focus on battery electric vehicles (BEVs). Now, the EV movement faces a unique set of challenges that could come after the rise of plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs). If people get hooked on PHEVs, we could find ourselves having a tough time getting car buyers to want to move on from “the best of both worlds.” In this article, I want to talk about what some of those challenges are and what we can do to get past them.

The Challenges PHEV Dominance Could Pose First, we need to talk about infrastructure. The cold hard fact is that the federal government simply can’t fund all of the charging stations we’d need for everyone to be able to go electric. The government theoretically could afford it, but the kind of spending that would be needed would fail to get past political hurdles.

The funding for EV charging stations in the Infrastructure Bill wasn’t meant to solve the problem entirely. It was meant to break the Catch-22 where people don’t want EVs because there aren’t enough charging stations, allowing more early mainstream adoption, which in turn would lead to more demand for charging stations. This, it was thought, would lead to more private investment to meet the new demand.

In other words, the Biden folks don’t want to fuel the car. They only want to jump-start it. If the next generation of mainstream electrified vehicles doesn’t need the infrastructure, that could cause the growth of EV infrastructure and BEVs to sputter.

  • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
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    17 days ago

    Hybrids, plug-in or not, are the worst of both worlds. It’s nonsensical to haul around half-assed versions of both an electric and combustion powertrains, combining the complexities of both (and adding even more where they need to be hooked together) to wind up with a vehicle that is ultimately still reliant on fossil fuel to achieve its full potential.

    I would much rather drive around a whole assed combusion or electric vehicle and skip the in-between.

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      Yeah no. I have a PHEV and it truly is the best of both worlds. Enough range for all electric daily commuting and errands and a massive range (500+ miles) for traveling between US cities. And I don’t have to wait on the shitty chargers that work 50% of the time in the electric charging network in the US. It’s fantastic.

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        Yes, this article, and especially the content you replied to, makes me think they don’t understand why people want these types of vehicles. Also, that they don’t even understand what they are saying.

        Worst of both worlds? Do people regularly need to drive 300+ miles a day? No. Around town driving is usually less than 50 miles a day and occasionally they want to take a road trip. That’s where I live. I’m not gonna go full electric and then try to drive 500+ miles. The infrastructure just isn’t there yet. Even with plug-in hybrids, it’ll get there.

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      I bought a Prius back in 2003 for my spouse because of the promised gas mileage and interesting technology. In the years since I’ve replaced two after various wrecks. The technology can be really good, but I’m never buying one again. Toyota is being dicks about going pure electric because they don’t really have anything to differentiate themselves vs others. I’d been excited about plug-in hybrids for a long time. As an interem experiment I bought an old Nissan Leaf that could only go about 45 miles on a charge. The batteries are even worse now. I’ve realized that plug-in hybrids have a fatal flaw. They always fully cycle their batteries if you go any distance for a commute. Lots of plug in hybrids only have 40ish miles of pure electric range. If you drive any more than that your battery is going to be trashed after a couple of years.

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      17 days ago

      haul around

      Why is the Prius Prime and RAV4 Prime hybrid so much lighter than fully electric cars of comparable size?

      Answer: literally hauling 1000lbs / 500kg of battery packs that you only use on 200 mile journeys is fucking stupid. Especially when the engine of a Hybrid system is less than half that weight.

      It’s not Hybrids that haul around extra weight. It’s EVs and their fat-ass batteries. Go measure the actual components of a car and you’ll see.


      The only EV that really made sense was the Nissan Leaf or Ford eTransit. 100mi EVs cut the battery weight in half (or less) and actually physically benefit from the hundreds of lbs/kgs saved.