• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    The highest figure in your article is 100 individuals.

    Guess 100 Republicans are worth 42,000 dead Palestinians

    Meanwhile, listening to voters and the very possibility of moving left pulled in 1000 times that number:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/26/young-voter-registration-skyrockets-harris/74556135007/

    Again, I’m not in the USA, I have no say in the matter

    You’re right. You don’t. Don’t worry, neither do I. My name isn’t Netanyahu.

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      4 months ago

      Again, that’s registrations for a population that doesn’t turn out, let’s wait and see, but if you look at the % of support for Israel called on age and the % of voters by age, it’s clear that there’s a shit ton more Israel supporters that are reliable voters.

      https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/20/politics/polling-democrats-divided-israel-palestine/index.html

      69% disapproval amongst those under 35 that don’t turn out to vote vs 77% approval amongst those over 65 that do turn out to vote. And again, no matter how much you cater to them and how convenient you make it to vote, people under 35 just don’t bother voting!

      https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/voter-turnout-rate-by-age-usa

      https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=rec/eval/pes2021/evt&document=p5&lang=e

      Also the 100 Republicans vs 42k Palestinians is a false equivalency, those Palestinians don’t have voting right in the USA.

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        Again, that’s registrations for a population that doesn’t turn out, let’s wait and see,

        And in the meantime, make sure to do everything possible to alienate those voters so we can gleefully declare that they don’t vote so we can continue supporting genocide.

        Israel supporters

        Please stop calling genocide supporters “Israel supporters.” It’s dishonest.

        69% disapproval amongst those under 35 that don’t turn out to vote vs 77% approval amongst those over 65 that do turn out to vote

        “Fuck off, we don’t need you because you don’t vote! Wait! Why aren’t you voting? Welp, guess we have no choice! We get to support genocide!”

        Also the 100 Republicans vs 42k Palestinians is a false equivalency, those Palestinians don’t have voting right in the USA.

        God damn, you never miss a chance to be obtuse. Killing 42,000 Palestinians was worth it to you for a lousy 100 Republican votes.

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          4 months ago

          Again, you refuse to look at examples from outside the USA. Voting in Canada is extremely simple, you get a guaranteed 4h off work while voting is open, they have people willing to transport you, you can show up without ID and swear that you are who you say you are and as long as they have your name and address on the list at the office you showed up to, you can vote. Voter turnout for those under 35? About 45%. We have a variety of parties as well, not just two. In my province we also have a party that is there pretty much specifically to defend the interests of younger people and those with little financial means. People under 35 just don’t vote!

          They’re supporting the decisions of the State of Israel, they’re Israel supporters, just like people who support the decisions of the Democrats are Democrat supporters. Yes it’s a genocide, it’s committed by a State and that State needs to be mentioned.

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              I’m showing you that young people don’t vote in general, there’s nothing special about the USA, it’s not about the party not catering to them, they just don’t vote.

              Reading comprehension isn’t your forte, I get that, but open your eyes and start looking at what’s going on outside your country, it might help you understand what’s going on in yours.

              You want Kamala to come out and say she’ll stop selling bombs to Israel? Fine, she’ll get a defeat and the Republicans will sell even more bombs to Israel. Instead she can say the USA will support Israel while also saying that Palestinians don’t deserve their current faith, get elected and then do something about Israel.

              Again, in the end you have two options in the USA and one would gladly see Gaza be wiped out completely so what gains are there to make for the Democrats to adopt a more radical stance against Israel when they know they’re currently the most reasonable option of the two?

              Political strategy doesn’t care about your feelings, it’s about getting elected.

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                3 months ago

                You want Kamala to come out and say she’ll stop selling bombs to Israel? Fine, she’ll get a defeat

                I think you overestimate single-issue pro-genocide voters.

                Again, in the end you have two options in the USA and one would gladly see Gaza be wiped out completely

                I have two options what would gladly see Gaza wiped out completely. I’m upset about that. I know why you aren’t.

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                  You interpret my analysis of their political strategy as me supporting the genocide happening right now, that’s very insulting.

                  You truly need to take a step back, you’re clearly too emotional to have this conversation.

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                    3 months ago

                    You truly need to take a step back, you’re clearly too emotional to have this conversation.

                    Imagine being emotional about genocide.

                    You want me to believe that you dispassionately weighed the evidence and monstrous cold logic dictated that continuing to sell weapons so that genocide can flourish was the correct decision. I don’t buy it. I think you started from a conclusion you liked and worked your way backwards.