• Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    If the bomb had not been used, more people would have died.

    At best, there is no way to be sure of that, and at worst, it is outright false:

    "Indeed, as early as 1946 the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey, in its report Japan’s Struggle to End the War, concluded that “certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered…”

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/1149003

    https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/history/debate-over-japanese-surrender/

    Regardless, killing people indiscriminately is and always will be wrong.

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      6 months ago

      There’s also the fact that there were no warnings. I’ve read some potentially conflicting accounts, but the consensus seems to be that there were no warning pamphlets dropped on Hiroshima ahead of the nuclear blast. At best, there may have been leaflets dropped that included Hiroshima amongst a list of 35 Japanese cities that could be the target of a bombing. At that time, the level of destructive capabilities were unheard of, so even seeing those leaflets, the thoughts citizens may have had is that there would be some firebombing. Destruction and death could be expected, but nothing like the complete obliteration that actually happened.

      The use of atomic weapons was a demonstration of US destructive capabilities. They were a warning built of indiscriminate evil that saught only to strike fear into the eyes of anyone who would dare attack the US.

      The use of atomic weapons may have legitimately reduced the number of American casualties, but I’m with you. It’s impossible to know whether lives were saved beyond those of American soldiers. Many civilians perished on those days, and that is not something to be celebrated.

      https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/key-documents/warning-leaflets/

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        6 months ago

        Japan knew for a long time that they were going to lose and have not decided to surrender.

        Tough shit. That doesn’t justify the killing of civilians.

        Those 2 bombs definitely helped them with the decision.

        This is a bad take given the evidence.