• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    categorization depends on some degree of truth

    Since when? People categorize themselves in ways that aren’t true all the time. Like people insisting they aren’t fat when they are.

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      6 months ago

      I am concerned I’m getting wrapped into a discussion not in good faith, but this can’t be a serious question. If your friend tells you to come over. “It’s the blue 2 story house on the corner. Come on in.” But they really live in the brownstone next door… do you see the value of speaking the truth to one another?

      Upon entering a hospital to see a loved one with very little time remaining you recall the text from your brother said “you need to talk to the tall doctor with brown spiky hair. I can’t recall his name.”

      Can it be harmless, like me claiming to be slim and handsome? Yeah, but that doesn’t change that it would be better, in my view, to be candid and clear.

      And also I’ll add, not to imply that claiming one is a season is somehow on equal footing as somebody correctly identifying their own gender.

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        But if someone really believes that they identify as autumn, don’t they think they are being candid and clear? Who are you to say they aren’t?

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          Then they are mistaken, and I am a caring companion letting them know they should reevaluate their assessment and maybe see somebody. It really undercuts the message of the trans community to imply that identify ones gender is the same as stating something categorically false.

          Self identity doesn’t make truth, it only asserts it.

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            6 months ago

            This sounds very similar to claims that trans people are mistaken. Why do you get to be the arbiter of that?

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              6 months ago

              Absolutely taking the opposite of my meaning. It seems to me you are saying a claim of one’s gender and a claim of one being a season are the same? Please state yes or no if you believe that to be true. If yes, I believe this is the scummy position with which I take issue. If no, then you have simply missed the precise point I’m making. That they aren’t the same. For one is a statement of the fact of one’s gender, and the other a false statement.

              That is why somebody should care if somebody were to state, even if in earnest that they are a season or helicopter or similar. Because in the best case they are mistaken and in the worst case making a mockery of gender identity which I fear, though am not certain, you are doing here.

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                I’m saying it’s not up to me to say what someone else identifies as and it’s common courtesy to address people the way they want to be addressed.

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                  6 months ago

                  Periodically a conversation ends with my confidence that I agree with a person but a difference in perspective makes that unclear.