I want to make Linux my main OS. I’ve used Windows for decades. Since Vista or 7, the Windows security model is this, from what I understand:

  1. unprivileged programs have limited/no ability to do scary things to your computer. they might be able to read some data, but it’s not going to implant malware in the boot sequence for Windows.
  2. if a program wants escalation, it triggers a UAC popup and the user has to accept it. Remote programs cannot accept UAC on a physical person’s behalf. Escalated programs have admin level control and can do the scary things.
  3. As with any OS, there may be privilege escalation vulnerabilities that escalate (1) into (2).

I’ve only had Windows malware a few times since Win7, and the entry point was fairly avoidable. (Running a sketchy EXE, and a possible drive-by malware install via an advertisement. I could never prove the latter.)

I have never run a password on my Windows machines.


On any system, physical access is game over.


On Linux, the password is paramount. I’ve tried to understand the security model and I keep failing. Synthesizing from arch wiki

SSH

Equivalent to local physical access as the user. If it’s a sudoers or root account, it can do scary things. Not a threat if ssh is disabled or well secured (password or key pairs).

If a network has a well configured firewall (on the router), it should block ssh requests from outside the network unless the admin specifically wants SSH outside the network.

As with any OS, there may be bugs that allow remote access outside of SSH.

Local login / password prompts to physical users

Without a password, you can’t escalate to root and install new software. Some software, often dealing with hardware (smartctl) requires sudo/root to run.

Encrypted drives

Passwords can decrypt drives if they are encrypted.

Keyrings

Some DEs (KDE) offer a ‘keyring’ that stores passwords. It’s locked/encrypted with a password, usually the same as the login password.


So what am I missing? Is Windows + UAC + no password secure? What is Linux protecting us from by using passwords?

  • booty [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    3 hours ago

    It’s randomly generated, brute forcing it should take years.

    Cool, so they use any number of exploits to simply go around the password. The point isn’t that a password is easy to get through (just like a locked door isn’t easy to get through) it is that if you’re facing a determined attacker it doesn’t matter how secure it is. If they have physical unsupervised access to your PC, you’ve already lost.

    Fortunately for us all, these determined attackers do not exist. Nobody’s breaking my windows to boot up my fucking PC. The situation in which a password would help you is if someone has gone to the effort to bypass the physical security on your home, and then has no plan to deal with a password locked computer. They just take one look at it and go “welp, that’s it, everybody crawl back through the window then, watch the glass shards” Instead of picking up the entire PC and walking off with it, or yanking out the hard drives, or booting into their own preferred OS on a USB, or whatever else would actually happen if these made up attackers were real.