• Soulg@ani.social
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      Because they’re really really stupid but have good intentions

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        I guess I’ll accept some possibly reasonably sized portions may in fact just be well meaning morons. Which I don’t really like saying, like I think 99% of people are totally capable and have to be trusted with making fundamental political decisions.

        So, by that token 99% if people are push to shove responsible for the results of their actions. Not the intent

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      It’s possible to be upset that you have no candidate who opposes genocide, no matter how preferable you think genocide(D) is to genocide(R).

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        Absolutely it is. But if you voted for trump or didn’t vote for Kamala you helped get trump elected whether you like it or not.

        Wouldn’t it be lovely if it wasn’t a 2 party system where both parties are neoliberal corporate stooges.

        But that’s not reality and hoping for puppies and rainbows doesn’t do anything

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          But that’s not reality and hoping for puppies and rainbows doesn’t do anything

          Being happy with an untenable status quo doesn’t make it tenable.

          And acting like “don’t sell weapons you know are going to be used for genocide” is an unreasonable ask in any way, acting like people who don’t want to be complicit in a genocide are asking for puppies and rainbows? That’s gross.

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            I never said anyone had to be happy with it. I didn’t even say anyone had to vote for Kamala. I just said that you have to live with your choices, and if you made that choice in all good conscience to knowingly not try to stop a fascist coup.

            I don’t really know why anyone is arguing with me, you can do whatever you want, I just want people to stand by their convictions if they chose not to vote against fascism

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              I never said anyone had to be happy with it.

              Then quit lecturing people for being less happy with it than you are.

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        it’s a trolley problem. realistically, there are only two choices in the presidential election, and it’s our responsibility to vote for the one who will cause less harm. I fucking hate Kamala, but I held my nose and voted for her because trump is causing even more damage

        in an ideal world, we could have a real election and vote for an actually good candidate, but that is not the world we live in

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          Why do people keep trying to convince me to vote how I voted in an election that already happened every time I say that democrats had no business supporting genocide?

          I suppose it’s because they never intend to change their policies and expect further complicity in the future.

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          But all of you people who held your nose and voted for her are the reason why she felt able to run on a pro-genocide platform. If you all had more morals, the Democrats wouldn’t have felt safe running a pro-genocide candidate. (See the game can be played both ways when we decide not to blame the people who actually deserve it — those at the top).

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      I think people thought by voicing it to her, she wpupd change las minute then they would vote. She didnt blink, and so these voters also didnt vote for her out of spite. And these voters still get to ctey “i did not vote for Kamala” for dubious moral high grounds.