Kamala Harris' first stop on the "107 Days" book tour was interrupted multiple times Wednesday night by protesters denouncing Israel’s war in Gaza, but the former vice president pressed on with calm.
You are completely proving their point. Do you really think the level of support Israel receives from Trump is the same as what it would have been with Kamala? Do you think Bibi would be in her office telling her how great their relationship is and give her a golden pager?
Do you think Israel would have acted just as brazenly in its escalations and direct attacks on Iran?
There is no question she wouldn’t have done enough to stop Israeli crimes, but no way in hell would it be equal to or worse than Trump. Even considering them on the same level makes you sound like a psyop.
Yes the window dressing is very different, but the material reality is the same:
The Biden administration provided nearly unlimited weapons to a genocidal regime, while actively lying to the media to cover for the ongoing brutality, and vetoing many ceasefire resolutions.
The Trump administration provided nearly unlimited weapons to a genocidal regime, while actively lying to the media to cover for the ongoing brutality, and vetoing many ceasefire resolutions.
Can you provide any objective facts to support any of this? All I see is one long argument based solely on emotion and faith. You can even see your cognitive dissonance rearing its ugly head out at the end, “there’s no question she wouldn’t have done enough to stop Israeli [genocide] … if you think [the genocide] would be equal or worse you sound like a psyop.” Apparently now there are different levels of genocide like Taco Bell sauce packets and some are more desirable than others.
Yes, I’m aware that voting for the only shot we had was FoR GeNoCidE. But that’s a fucking idiotic framing of the choice that was actually at hand, and even if it weren’t, no one could foresee the future to know that they had the luxury of pissing their vote away.
How funny that “no one could forsee the future to know” that she was running a losing campaign while simultaneously claiming to forsee that she was “the only shot we had” despite other candidates being in the race. Let’s just ignore the fact that this played out exactly the same as the 2016 election and claim there was “no way to know” that alienating the people you expect to vote for you was a bad idea.
So you claim your position is the “intelligent and societally-aware” position to have despite the fact that this position is what has brought us to the very point we’re at as a nation currently, and you want to call other people morons?
Look mate, i am not saying Trump is not making it worse and that faster.
What you refuse to see is that Israel is a pariah state with huge influence over US politics. None, and i repeat none of the known political figures has enough back bone to stand up to them so ANY real change must come from the people.
I get how Trump has been a plight the U.S. and the world. What i am trying to say is that you pretend Trump won because of any single issue and in doing so you ignore the complexity of problems that have corroded the U.S. (and the West at large) into the pathetic state it is in today.
To be fair i do not expect much from Americans today. The few people willing to push for real change are deminished by reformists that hope to save as much as possible from the system that obviously does not work out. All of this has been decades in the making and you guys pointing to single events like this simply revel in your ingorance, feeling right when you get these sweet upvotes. But they don’t matter and they won’t change a thing.
To be fair this whole “conversation” we are having won’t change much, as i do not expect anyone here to be self-critical enough to learn anything.
So why write in the first place? Because the least one needs to do is to challenge these superficial opinions.
You’re pretending that if we noticed a huge number of people swaying support away from Harris - lying and saying that doing so was best for Gaza - we must be simpletons with no understanding that America is fucked for multiple reasons. But that’s all it is. Pretend. The people who can only screech about Democrats’ failure with Gaza seem to be the actual simpletons from where I sit. And some of those people are definitely Russian trolls/bots.
That’s quite a cozy nest of thought-terminating cliches you’ve constructed. Just dismiss your left as stupid russian bots and you never have to acknowledge that you supported something morally reprehensible, not as a reluctant choice, but as an enthusiastic one.
What you’re failing to acknowledge is in a 2 party system the choices weren’t good vs bad, or bad vs worse but bad vs much worse. Shitty vs fucked up.
Given those options and only those options you try to make the best of a bad situation not make it worse.
People voted for “much worse” and they got it. Things are good and fucked up.
Things are good and fucked up because people keep picking “bad” or “worse” on their ballots. We may be stuck in a two party system but who says it has to be these two parties?
You have no idea how frustrating it is to see people like yourself endlessly bitching about how bad things are and how terrible these party’s candidates are but then arguing that we must chose one of these very same candidates or else things might get “bad” as if we don’t have decades and decades of history to look back at and see the result of the very decisions you’re advocating for. As if we can’t see how bad things are now while you argue that we must keep doing the same thing that lead us into this mess if we ever want to get out of this mess. It’s complete nonsense.
Don’t you see the cycle of bad vs worse you guys have been in like for multiple decades? Sure would Kamala been better (for the US) than Trump, thats a No-Brainer.
And i also very much hoped you and we get another four years of the status-quo. But the decline of your system is ongoing and an end is inevitable. Trump accelerates it and that fucking sucks for you guys, so i get the rage. Believe me when i say i spent multiple days seething at how Trump can insult his allies while sucking up to Putin.
Nontheless it is now rather impossible to even pretend things can go on like this and i hope it will get your and my ass off from the couch.
The answer to most of your questions would be yes. Insane of you to mention Iran when Kamala very famously (and strangely) declare them as our greatest enemy during her campaign. She was absolutely manufacturing consent for a conflict. Get real buddy.
You are completely proving their point. Do you really think the level of support Israel receives from Trump is the same as what it would have been with Kamala? Do you think Bibi would be in her office telling her how great their relationship is and give her a golden pager?
Do you think Israel would have acted just as brazenly in its escalations and direct attacks on Iran?
There is no question she wouldn’t have done enough to stop Israeli crimes, but no way in hell would it be equal to or worse than Trump. Even considering them on the same level makes you sound like a psyop.
Yes the window dressing is very different, but the material reality is the same:
The Biden administration provided nearly unlimited weapons to a genocidal regime, while actively lying to the media to cover for the ongoing brutality, and vetoing many ceasefire resolutions.
The Trump administration provided nearly unlimited weapons to a genocidal regime, while actively lying to the media to cover for the ongoing brutality, and vetoing many ceasefire resolutions.
Where’s the psyop?
Can you provide any objective facts to support any of this? All I see is one long argument based solely on emotion and faith. You can even see your cognitive dissonance rearing its ugly head out at the end, “there’s no question she wouldn’t have done enough to stop Israeli [genocide] … if you think [the genocide] would be equal or worse you sound like a psyop.” Apparently now there are different levels of genocide like Taco Bell sauce packets and some are more desirable than others.
My objective facts? Trump’s actual actions vs hypothetical Harris actions.
But hey, ‘i didn’t vote for him’, right?
Unirononically what every third party moron says
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition
Seems to me, the morons are the ones who voted for genocide and have nothing to show for it in the end.
Yes, I’m aware that voting for the only shot we had was FoR GeNoCidE. But that’s a fucking idiotic framing of the choice that was actually at hand, and even if it weren’t, no one could foresee the future to know that they had the luxury of pissing their vote away.
How funny that “no one could forsee the future to know” that she was running a losing campaign while simultaneously claiming to forsee that she was “the only shot we had” despite other candidates being in the race. Let’s just ignore the fact that this played out exactly the same as the 2016 election and claim there was “no way to know” that alienating the people you expect to vote for you was a bad idea.
Yes, third party candidates ever have a chance. What an intelligent and societally-aware way to think.
So you claim your position is the “intelligent and societally-aware” position to have despite the fact that this position is what has brought us to the very point we’re at as a nation currently, and you want to call other people morons?
Yes, if only I had voted for Jill Stein, Gaza and everything else would somehow be unfucked. Please piss off.
Look mate, i am not saying Trump is not making it worse and that faster.
What you refuse to see is that Israel is a pariah state with huge influence over US politics. None, and i repeat none of the known political figures has enough back bone to stand up to them so ANY real change must come from the people.
I get how Trump has been a plight the U.S. and the world. What i am trying to say is that you pretend Trump won because of any single issue and in doing so you ignore the complexity of problems that have corroded the U.S. (and the West at large) into the pathetic state it is in today.
To be fair i do not expect much from Americans today. The few people willing to push for real change are deminished by reformists that hope to save as much as possible from the system that obviously does not work out. All of this has been decades in the making and you guys pointing to single events like this simply revel in your ingorance, feeling right when you get these sweet upvotes. But they don’t matter and they won’t change a thing.
To be fair this whole “conversation” we are having won’t change much, as i do not expect anyone here to be self-critical enough to learn anything.
So why write in the first place? Because the least one needs to do is to challenge these superficial opinions.
You’re pretending that if we noticed a huge number of people swaying support away from Harris - lying and saying that doing so was best for Gaza - we must be simpletons with no understanding that America is fucked for multiple reasons. But that’s all it is. Pretend. The people who can only screech about Democrats’ failure with Gaza seem to be the actual simpletons from where I sit. And some of those people are definitely Russian trolls/bots.
That’s quite a cozy nest of thought-terminating cliches you’ve constructed. Just dismiss your left as stupid russian bots and you never have to acknowledge that you supported something morally reprehensible, not as a reluctant choice, but as an enthusiastic one.
What you’re failing to acknowledge is in a 2 party system the choices weren’t good vs bad, or bad vs worse but bad vs much worse. Shitty vs fucked up. Given those options and only those options you try to make the best of a bad situation not make it worse.
People voted for “much worse” and they got it. Things are good and fucked up.
Things are good and fucked up because people keep picking “bad” or “worse” on their ballots. We may be stuck in a two party system but who says it has to be these two parties?
You have no idea how frustrating it is to see people like yourself endlessly bitching about how bad things are and how terrible these party’s candidates are but then arguing that we must chose one of these very same candidates or else things might get “bad” as if we don’t have decades and decades of history to look back at and see the result of the very decisions you’re advocating for. As if we can’t see how bad things are now while you argue that we must keep doing the same thing that lead us into this mess if we ever want to get out of this mess. It’s complete nonsense.
Don’t you see the cycle of bad vs worse you guys have been in like for multiple decades? Sure would Kamala been better (for the US) than Trump, thats a No-Brainer. And i also very much hoped you and we get another four years of the status-quo. But the decline of your system is ongoing and an end is inevitable. Trump accelerates it and that fucking sucks for you guys, so i get the rage. Believe me when i say i spent multiple days seething at how Trump can insult his allies while sucking up to Putin.
Nontheless it is now rather impossible to even pretend things can go on like this and i hope it will get your and my ass off from the couch.
Good luck.
Not my system. I’m an outsider looking in
The answer to most of your questions would be yes. Insane of you to mention Iran when Kamala very famously (and strangely) declare them as our greatest enemy during her campaign. She was absolutely manufacturing consent for a conflict. Get real buddy.
For someone who apparently has strong convictions about this, you are incredibly ignorant.
Donald Trump literally ordered the assassination of one of Iran’s most revered leaders - Qasem Soleimani. He just recently directly bombed Iran.
How do you possibly equate Harris’ mean words about Iran to Trump’s actions? That is so illogical you seriously have to be a psyop.
The difference between Kamala’s words and Trumps actions is that she was too much of a loser to have the chance to bomb Iran herself 🤣
Shouldn’t you be at a Charlie Kirk memorial or something?
I would only go to honour the shooter tbh.
Liberals thinking real progressives are “conservatives” is the ultimate coping mechanism. Embarrassing for you.