“We wanted a message of unity,” organizer Dayne Webb, youth chair of the Kalamazoo Young Republican Party, said at the vigil event, WWMT reports. “You know that’s what Charlie was all about, is bringing people together, no matter if they disagreed or agreed.
They used to disallow Catholics. Stopped that policy when JFK was elected. There is some hate they’re flexible on, but not when it comes to black people.
“You know that’s what Charlie was all about, is bringing people together, no matter if they disagreed or agreed."
I’m hearing this perspective a lot from middle ground people, and I’m inclined to think a lot of them are just missing a huge gap of information. (Ignoring the fact this guy quoted is from the “Young Republican Party”. Blegh)
I think a lot of them are shown a different side of certain figures.
I’m not talking about hardcore cultists, if their beliefs line up, they just get reinforced and they’re easy to “maintain”. I think the real targets are the “useful normies” that don’t really get it and usually “aren’t into politics.”
If you don’t protect your privacy, give out your information everywhere, clearnet log in to google / Facebook / insta / reddit / tiktok / twitter / etc, accept all the cookies, etc… algorithms are largely responsible for pushing your perspective of the world.
Let’s make the relatively safe assumption this is most people of any leaning who’ve had a smartphone just shoved into their hand before critical thinking skills were instilled, and were network pressured into blindly joining all these things to talk to their friends.
I genuinely think a lot of these folks saw only clips that made this guy look like a thoughtful and clever debater who gave people time to challenge him. If these normies follow the guy and go deeper, they’ll get pulled into what I like to call “the fashy funnel”, but a lot of them won’t. Most people don’t care.
They’ll just be exposed to little “reasonable logic” clips at a time that will slowly nudge them towards the opinion of “Huh maybe the righties aren’t so bad. I’m glad he’s willing to talk.” Well meaning, and of course, used against them and exploited.
The funnel system doesn’t want to drive these “moderates” away so it doesn’t show them the extreme stuff that would trigger their bullshit alarms. That’s saved for further down the rabbit hole. The goal is to appeal to their well-meaning centrism.
The guy said a lot of his WORST stuff on his podcast or Fox, because that’s where that funnel-segment of his audience would be accepting of it.
Meanwhile, if the algo thinks you’re a lefty, you probably get treated to the most awful stuff he said right out the gate, because it (often correctly) thinks that’ll piss you off and keep your attention longer.
And that’s how you sow working-class division, where one side sees the killing of a monster, and the other sees the death of reasonable bipartisan discourse.
They’ve both seen what they were told to see, and both sides then turn to each other and are outraged at how blind and foolish their fellow human beings can be.
Those arguments drive engagement, though. So the owning class wins again.
TL;DR: Stop accepting cookies, block ads, touch grass, be excellent to each other, social media was a trap the whole time.
I strongly encourage the debate regarding conservative purity. They should increase the elimination of any conservatives who aren’t conservative enough. Get rid of the posers and RINOs, really strengthen the party.
Well, ya know, trans people aren’t people so, ya know, oh, and them colored folk, they aren’t really people neither, maybe 3 fifths -2/3rds at most - of a person, but not actually a real person, so, ya know, and them queers, well, they’re just demons, so can’t count them, so, ya know, charlie loved all the people.
Got a naive question, I knew Charlie Kirk only from toiler paper usa memes.
Did he make fun of people with other opinions or were his opinions so extreme that others simply avoided coming to his debates?
From what Bernie said it seems like he held some sort of debates like this last one.
I’m completely out of the loop in terms of his history, so please forgive me
People like Charlie Kirk are capable of all of it.
He debated some people fairly. Rare for them to debate adults, but it’s easy to find them arguing with youth. Charlie wasn’t stupid and he could navigate through common topics with something approaching grace.
He also performatively debated, like when he was shot. He doesn’t listen to facts, he’s hoping to say punchy phrases for the cameras, he’s hoping someone makes an ass of themselves. It’s a product for his customers that harms society.
He also went to safe spaces like podcasts and got very loose with it: conspiracies, hatred, divisiveness, violent rhetoric. Nobody could challenge him there.
He also engaged in unapologetic racism, like recently blaming a black fire chief for kids drowning somewhere else. No debate, no engaging the public, literally just being evil.
I think when people say Charlie was basically good, they are talking about very specific parts about his life. I get TPUSA ads about Kirk destroying stupid trans kids. It was Charlie’s hatred that got the most play. I’m just trying to be objective about it.
Honestly, I pay only some attention to these rather marginal characters. I get Kirk and Steven Crowder and Fuentes and Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson mixed up sometimes. But at least in my head, I put them under this “debate me bro” category.
From what I’ve seen of their “debates”, they are run nothing like an actual debate should be, and the scam seems to be that if someone declines to “debate” them, the person would be seen in the minds of idiots that they “forfeited”. Because the debate-me bro’s debate-fu is so very strong. 🙄
If they do agree, it’s only elevating and platforming these marginal characters that feed on being “edgy”. And I really don’t think there is any winning of these “debates” because they are not done in good faith. Again, from the few times I’ve dipped into this kind of thing.
HAHAHA WHAT
“Bringing people together” is MAGA code for “Do what you’re told or we’ll kill you.”
The Klan also brought people together, whether they agreed or disagreed. As long as they agreed that black people were their common enemy.
They used to disallow Catholics. Stopped that policy when JFK was elected. There is some hate they’re flexible on, but not when it comes to black people.
I’m hearing this perspective a lot from middle ground people, and I’m inclined to think a lot of them are just missing a huge gap of information. (Ignoring the fact this guy quoted is from the “Young Republican Party”. Blegh)
I think a lot of them are shown a different side of certain figures.
I’m not talking about hardcore cultists, if their beliefs line up, they just get reinforced and they’re easy to “maintain”. I think the real targets are the “useful normies” that don’t really get it and usually “aren’t into politics.”
If you don’t protect your privacy, give out your information everywhere, clearnet log in to google / Facebook / insta / reddit / tiktok / twitter / etc, accept all the cookies, etc… algorithms are largely responsible for pushing your perspective of the world.
Let’s make the relatively safe assumption this is most people of any leaning who’ve had a smartphone just shoved into their hand before critical thinking skills were instilled, and were network pressured into blindly joining all these things to talk to their friends.
I genuinely think a lot of these folks saw only clips that made this guy look like a thoughtful and clever debater who gave people time to challenge him. If these normies follow the guy and go deeper, they’ll get pulled into what I like to call “the fashy funnel”, but a lot of them won’t. Most people don’t care.
They’ll just be exposed to little “reasonable logic” clips at a time that will slowly nudge them towards the opinion of “Huh maybe the righties aren’t so bad. I’m glad he’s willing to talk.” Well meaning, and of course, used against them and exploited.
The funnel system doesn’t want to drive these “moderates” away so it doesn’t show them the extreme stuff that would trigger their bullshit alarms. That’s saved for further down the rabbit hole. The goal is to appeal to their well-meaning centrism.
The guy said a lot of his WORST stuff on his podcast or Fox, because that’s where that funnel-segment of his audience would be accepting of it.
Meanwhile, if the algo thinks you’re a lefty, you probably get treated to the most awful stuff he said right out the gate, because it (often correctly) thinks that’ll piss you off and keep your attention longer.
And that’s how you sow working-class division, where one side sees the killing of a monster, and the other sees the death of reasonable bipartisan discourse.
They’ve both seen what they were told to see, and both sides then turn to each other and are outraged at how blind and foolish their fellow human beings can be.
Those arguments drive engagement, though. So the owning class wins again.
TL;DR: Stop accepting cookies, block ads, touch grass, be excellent to each other, social media was a trap the whole time.
They are so delusional
I think they misinterpreted a call to “round people up” as “bringing people together.”
bringing all the bigots together?
No, not even all the bigots could agree. One of them disagreed so much he shot Kirk through the throat.
I strongly encourage the debate regarding conservative purity. They should increase the elimination of any conservatives who aren’t conservative enough. Get rid of the posers and RINOs, really strengthen the party.
Nick says no
Well, ya know, trans people aren’t people so, ya know, oh, and them colored folk, they aren’t really people neither, maybe 3 fifths -2/3rds at most - of a person, but not actually a real person, so, ya know, and them queers, well, they’re just demons, so can’t count them, so, ya know, charlie loved all the people.
JFC, the least amount of awareness.
Got a naive question, I knew Charlie Kirk only from toiler paper usa memes. Did he make fun of people with other opinions or were his opinions so extreme that others simply avoided coming to his debates?
From what Bernie said it seems like he held some sort of debates like this last one.
I’m completely out of the loop in terms of his history, so please forgive me
People like Charlie Kirk are capable of all of it.
He debated some people fairly. Rare for them to debate adults, but it’s easy to find them arguing with youth. Charlie wasn’t stupid and he could navigate through common topics with something approaching grace.
He also performatively debated, like when he was shot. He doesn’t listen to facts, he’s hoping to say punchy phrases for the cameras, he’s hoping someone makes an ass of themselves. It’s a product for his customers that harms society.
He also went to safe spaces like podcasts and got very loose with it: conspiracies, hatred, divisiveness, violent rhetoric. Nobody could challenge him there.
He also engaged in unapologetic racism, like recently blaming a black fire chief for kids drowning somewhere else. No debate, no engaging the public, literally just being evil.
I think when people say Charlie was basically good, they are talking about very specific parts about his life. I get TPUSA ads about Kirk destroying stupid trans kids. It was Charlie’s hatred that got the most play. I’m just trying to be objective about it.
Honestly, I pay only some attention to these rather marginal characters. I get Kirk and Steven Crowder and Fuentes and Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson mixed up sometimes. But at least in my head, I put them under this “debate me bro” category.
From what I’ve seen of their “debates”, they are run nothing like an actual debate should be, and the scam seems to be that if someone declines to “debate” them, the person would be seen in the minds of idiots that they “forfeited”. Because the debate-me bro’s debate-fu is so very strong. 🙄
If they do agree, it’s only elevating and platforming these marginal characters that feed on being “edgy”. And I really don’t think there is any winning of these “debates” because they are not done in good faith. Again, from the few times I’ve dipped into this kind of thing.
Don’t worry about it, he’s dead.
Just look up some of his old videos, and find out for yourself. Don’t take our word for it. See for yourself what a horrible person he was.
Lemmy did that for me, a couple of videos made it to Top Day. Yeah his rhetoric basically calls for violence and hatred
Just look up some of his old videos, and find out for yourself. Don’t take our word for it. See for yourself what a horrible person he was.