I gave examples of the opposite in an earlier comment. Though it’s unclear what level of APIs you refer to here, specially given that you said “same deal with webkit” (which, again, is not under google). You might as well apply the same deal to gecko too.
I do apply the same standard to gecko. and if it every becomes a larger market share I’ll be more critical of it than I already am. However those criticisms are immaterial to the decision this judge had to make.
This is a contradiction. If few browsers will do it, then my statement that it can happen is correct…
its not a contradiction. the difference here is every browser you mentioned as ‘alternatives’ are not well funded dont actively add new functionality in the same way mozilla/google do. they dont actively trying to drive the feature set of the web. apple’s browser is just there to give apple control they dont care about it beyond that, which results in a captured ecosystem on macos. most/all 3rd party browsers use chrome under the hood on other platforms to limit developer costs, resulting in a captured ecosystem by google or are so tiny they’ll never bootstrap effectively (i.e. ladybird). Mozilla has the only non-corporate / user focused implementation of a web browser that is funded.
The point was that the final say on what those projects will do is a decision those projects can make, not Google.
which is completely immaterial when they don’t develop/add new features for the web.
look your argument is ‘other browsers besides firefox exist so its fine if firefox dies’ and mine is ‘they dont provide any real value for the growth of the ecosystem so they’re immaterial when considering the market effects of the only well funded one with a open code base and user focus’
now we can sit here continuing to talk nonsense at each other or just move on. I recommend just moving on. I grew bored with this conversation about 15 posts ago and im basically just responding to you on autopilot.
I do apply the same standard to gecko. and if it every becomes a larger market share I’ll be more critical of it than I already am. However those criticisms are immaterial to the decision this judge had to make.
its not a contradiction. the difference here is every browser you mentioned as ‘alternatives’ are not well funded dont actively add new functionality in the same way mozilla/google do. they dont actively trying to drive the feature set of the web. apple’s browser is just there to give apple control they dont care about it beyond that, which results in a captured ecosystem on macos. most/all 3rd party browsers use chrome under the hood on other platforms to limit developer costs, resulting in a captured ecosystem by google or are so tiny they’ll never bootstrap effectively (i.e. ladybird). Mozilla has the only non-corporate / user focused implementation of a web browser that is funded.
which is completely immaterial when they don’t develop/add new features for the web.
look your argument is ‘other browsers besides firefox exist so its fine if firefox dies’ and mine is ‘they dont provide any real value for the growth of the ecosystem so they’re immaterial when considering the market effects of the only well funded one with a open code base and user focus’
now we can sit here continuing to talk nonsense at each other or just move on. I recommend just moving on. I grew bored with this conversation about 15 posts ago and im basically just responding to you on autopilot.