I cannot explain how much I do not want to see this green dot and “New!” text in my application launcher. Rather than be a passionate contributor like you, I have regrettably become a slave to the Big Tech industry - But one thing I can provide is insight into why operating systems like iOS and Windows have this noise: Impact driven development People need to justify their work on a continuous basis, with the upside of promotions and downside of layoffs. They add the most useless feature...
  • Grass@sh.itjust.works
    2·
    1 hour ago

    I know 3 people that get mad at me when I don’t clear the dot for new inventory/lore items in video game menus by scrolling over each one

  • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    3 hours ago

    Thing like this are why there’s a million settings in KDE; every dev is prepared for the inevitable “but I hate it, make it go away” complaint. Granted, this complainer was pretty respectful and threw in a donation to soften the blow. Most people just act entitled, like the dev personally affronted them with their update.

  • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
    31·
    2 hours ago

    I find this complaint very strange. It’s a dot. It helps people find what they installed.

    But if this person doesn’t need it, how would they ever see it? Most power users I know never even look in the menu, so they would never know there is a dot in the first place.

  • whaleross@lemmy.world
    41·
    7 hours ago

    For every change there is an angry Linux user. Even when it is easily disabled and never a problem again.

    On the flip side - how often do you install new programs so this becomes an annoyance in the first place?

    I install something new maybe once a month or less for desktop use. I have not even noticed this blip.

    Somewhat more often in and for terminal use.

  • deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de
    351·
    9 hours ago

    I was very annoyed when I got this, but remembered that it’s KDE, and turning it off is 4 clicks. Proprietary software often doesn’t allow you to turn this off (easily). Windows has this “feature”, where is the setting?

    I don’t think it’s a productive “feature”, but considering it can be turned off so easily I don’t consider it a complete showstopper.

      • atzanteol@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        5·
        5 hours ago

        This! KDE’s settings are a mess to navigate. I completely understand why that person didn’t know there even was a configuration for this.

    • mriswith@lemmy.worldEnglish
      81·
      8 hours ago

      Windows has this “feature”, where is the setting?

      I assume youre talking about W11?

      Because the “Show recently added apps” setting is third option in the start menu settings on W10.

      • deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de
        5·
        8 hours ago

        The main issue is UX imo. On Windows 11, it’s “5 clicks”, but you have to open the settings app and find the setting two submenus deep. On KDE, it’s right click > configure application launcher > toggle setting > apply.

    • nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz
      1·
      6 hours ago

      It sounds like the author of the article is more concerned with the incentive it creates for developers to push useless or sloppy updates (“impact driven development”) than the UX.

      • Ferk@lemmy.ml
        4·
        5 hours ago

        How does this give incentive for that?

        My understanding is that this only happens in newly installed apps, not recently updates ones. They are only highlighted because the user installed them, not because the developer did anything.

        It’s a screenshot of the application launcher, the menu to launch apps already installed, not the software store.

    • Ellie@slrpnk.netEnglish
      20·
      10 hours ago

      I think it’s still an interesting question whether this feature should be enabled by default (and most people seem to agree it should be).

        • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
          242·
          8 hours ago

          The kind if person who would benefit from that shouldn’t be using a computer. But then again, most smartphone users shouldn’t be using a phone. How about choosing different default settings in an installation based on a central “expert” vs “newbie” setting?

          • Nailbar@sopuli.xyz
            9·
            6 hours ago

            I recently installer something, and KDE showed me where it ended up in the launcher, which I appreciated, and now I’m not supposed to use a computer. Really? Thanks.

            At least me wife will be happy, but I’ll need to find new work.

          • Cris@lemmy.worldEnglish
            36·
            8 hours ago

            People who find computers useful should be using computers.

            This weird idea from some linux users that only people who see their computer as a hobby and have mastery over them should be allowed to use them, and that computers should be designed exclusively around the needs of computer-as-hobby users, is absolutely nuts.

            Its a tool. It should be designed to be useful as possible to anyone who needs such a tool.

            Sincerely,
            Another linux user who cares about UI/UX and is tired of this kind of junk. It’s a dumb argument, let’s all stop making it please. Linux supports all your “technical user” wildest dreams, let the average people have their features and design considerations too.

            • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
              21·
              3 hours ago

              Its a tool. It should be designed to be useful as possible to anyone who needs such a tool.

              Twenty years ago I might have agreed. Now, in hindsight, I can say that giving everyone access to computers & thereby the internet has brought out the worst in humanity, including mass-manipulation and authoritarian regimes thanks to people making even worse calls in elections than they used to.

              • blackbrook@mander.xyz
                1·
                34 minutes ago

                The devil is in how things are made useful to users who just want to get things done. The problems comes with corporations making decisions about what users should need to understand, and what users want. There’s been a lot of dumbing down and manipulation in that process, serving the needs of those corporations and advertisers and not the needs of the users.

                Software can be made useful for those who don’t want or need to undertand all the details, in a good, non-harmful way. The principle of separation of interface and implementation even demands it. But our society being what it is, that largely doesn’t happen, so I’m inclined to agree with your pessimistic take.

          • Ferk@lemmy.ml
            2·
            5 hours ago

            What qualifies as “expert” setting can be very divisive… for me, it would be removing this menu entirely. Or even switching from KDE to sway or similar ^^U

            But if I was the kind of people that do use this kind of menus I would probably find that kind of indication useful. It helps finding the category the app you just installed belongs to. If you install an educational app/game that teaches programming by giving instructions to a turtle in order to draw a graphic/picture (I think I have seen something like that before): which category should it be at? games? education? development? graphics?

            • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
              1·
              3 hours ago

              My main point is: If the desktop environment “expert” toggle is set once, gimmicks like this one here would be disabled by default. On a default installation, with the “expert” toggle to “off”, those same gimmicks might be enabled by default.

    • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz
      311·
      10 hours ago

      Yeah. Plus they immediately got a reply from someone showing where you can turn it off in settings.

  • Cas@pawb.socialEnglish
    20·
    10 hours ago

    I’m glad there’s a toggle, it seems like it would actually be useful here but I’d probably turn it off.

    With that said, there’s a special place in hell for the multitudes of apps that have red notification dots all over the UI with no clear indicator as to what they’re about or how to clear them :D

    • Deebster@programming.dev
      3·
      10 hours ago

      Yeah, I hate those little dots and I inevitably jump through the hoops until I’ve clicked enough things to make them go away.

    • IAmTheKernelError@piefed.socialEnglish
      181·
      10 hours ago

      He said “I’ll donate 100 EUR if you remove”, so I think he may be obligated to donate every single time this option is disabled.

  • HelloRoot@lemy.lolEnglish
    8·
    11 hours ago

    There is a setting, but I was equally annoyed that it is on by default.

    Even more surprising - when I launched the new app miltiple times, it was still marked as new.

    • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz
      23·
      10 hours ago

      It’s probably time based.

      And this kind of thing isn’t for the type of people who mess with settings. If this defaulted to off, then it would actually be useless.

      • HelloRoot@lemy.lolEnglish
        4·
        10 hours ago

        If this defaulted to off, then it would actually be useless.

        Would just be the other way around with what posts you see online. Instead of OP you’d see “how can I find my newly installed apps” and the same “ahem” screenshot reply.

    • danA
      16·
      9 hours ago

      Some apps have weird names and I forget what they’re called. Showing a “new” badge, even if it’s just for the first few times I open the app, makes it more likely that I’ll remember the app’s name.

        • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz
          51·
          7 hours ago

          I dunno man.

          It’s not like linux applications ever have different app-names in the menu, when compared to the package name you just saw when installing it.

          That has never tripped me up. No. Never.

          /S

        • Aiwendil@lemmy.ml
          8·
          8 hours ago

          You can set most KDE menus to show the “Comment” key of the .desktop files instead of the “Name” key. So “KDE Advanced Text Editor” instead of “Kate”.

          Packages can come with several “programs” that aren’t necessarily named the same as the package. Example: Calibre installs menu items for “Calibre”, “EBookViewer” and “EBookEditor” on my distro.

          It’s not about forgetting…it’ about helping to quickly find what you just installed and what is all included.

    • Ferk@lemmy.ml
      1·
      6 hours ago

      It’s more about which category a particular specific software belongs. If a kid installs an educational app/game that teaches programming by giving instructions to a turtle in order to draw a graphic/picture (I think I have seen something like that before). Which category should it be? games? education? development? graphics?

      I personally don’t use this kind of menus with categories, I prefer dmenu style launchers where you type to search what you need. But if I was the kind of people that do use this kind of menus I would probably find that kind of indication useful.

      • mnmalst@lemmy.zip
        1·
        6 hours ago

        You are right, the marker at the category level definitely makes sense to find the application initially.