I cannot explain how much I do not want to see this green dot and “New!” text in my application launcher. Rather than be a passionate contributor like you, I have regrettably become a slave to the Big Tech industry - But one thing I can provide is insight into why operating systems like iOS and Windows have this noise: Impact driven development People need to justify their work on a continuous basis, with the upside of promotions and downside of layoffs. They add the most useless feature...
    • Ellie@slrpnk.netEnglish
      38·
      22 days ago

      I think it’s still an interesting question whether this feature should be enabled by default (and most people seem to agree it should be).

      • MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml
        801·
        22 days ago

        If it wasn’t on by default, the kind of person who would benefit from it wouldn’t discover it.

        • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
          575·
          22 days ago

          The kind if person who would benefit from that shouldn’t be using a computer. But then again, most smartphone users shouldn’t be using a phone. How about choosing different default settings in an installation based on a central “expert” vs “newbie” setting?

          • Cris@lemmy.worldEnglish
            601·
            22 days ago

            People who find computers useful should be using computers.

            This weird idea from some linux users that only people who see their computer as a hobby and have mastery over them should be allowed to use them, and that computers should be designed exclusively around the needs of computer-as-hobby users, is absolutely nuts.

            Its a tool. It should be designed to be useful as possible to anyone who needs such a tool.

            Sincerely,
            Another linux user who cares about UI/UX and is tired of this kind of junk. It’s a dumb argument, let’s all stop making it please. Linux supports all your “technical user” wildest dreams, let the average people have their features and design considerations too.

            • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
              57·
              22 days ago

              Its a tool. It should be designed to be useful as possible to anyone who needs such a tool.

              Twenty years ago I might have agreed. Now, in hindsight, I can say that giving everyone access to computers & thereby the internet has brought out the worst in humanity, including mass-manipulation and authoritarian regimes thanks to people making even worse calls in elections than they used to.

              • 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                72·
                22 days ago

                This is really getting that “old man screams at the cloud” vibe.

                Are you okay?

              • blackbrook@mander.xyz
                61·
                22 days ago

                The devil is in how things are made useful to users who just want to get things done. The problems comes with corporations making decisions about what users should need to understand, and what users want. There’s been a lot of dumbing down and manipulation in that process, serving the needs of those corporations and advertisers and not the needs of the users.

                Software can be made useful for those who don’t want or need to undertand all the details, in a good, non-harmful way. The principle of separation of interface and implementation even demands it. But our society being what it is, that largely doesn’t happen, so I’m inclined to agree with your pessimistic take.

          • Nailbar@sopuli.xyz
            201·
            22 days ago

            I recently installer something, and KDE showed me where it ended up in the launcher, which I appreciated, and now I’m not supposed to use a computer. Really? Thanks.

            At least me wife will be happy, but I’ll need to find new work.

          • Ferk@lemmy.ml
            41·
            22 days ago

            What qualifies as “expert” setting can be very divisive… for me, it would be removing this menu entirely. Or even switching from KDE to sway or similar ^^U

            But if I was the kind of people that do use this kind of menus I would probably find that kind of indication useful. It helps finding the category the app you just installed belongs to. If you install an educational app/game that teaches programming by giving instructions to a turtle in order to draw a graphic/picture (I think I have seen something like that before): which category should it be at? games? education? development? graphics?

            • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
              24·
              22 days ago

              My main point is: If the desktop environment “expert” toggle is set once, gimmicks like this one here would be disabled by default. On a default installation, with the “expert” toggle to “off”, those same gimmicks might be enabled by default.

              • everett@lemmy.ml
                61·
                22 days ago

                Welcome to a future of forever arguing which features are gimmicks.

                This one, for example, is not.

              • vandsjov@feddit.dk
                31·
                22 days ago

                Everything in the desktop is a gimmick… remove all visible things of the desktop and only show apps. Settings can be handled in a text configuration file. Or are some of these gimmicks actually useful, even for “experts”?

                I have many times, installing a new app on a Windows Server, just gone in and seen the latest installed app and clicked on it. Sorry, that is my best example as that is where I most often use this feature - I don’t install that many apps on my desktops.

  • whaleross@lemmy.world
    651·
    22 days ago

    For every change there is an angry Linux user. Even when it is easily disabled and never a problem again.

    On the flip side - how often do you install new programs so this becomes an annoyance in the first place?

    I install something new maybe once a month or less for desktop use. I have not even noticed this blip.

    Somewhat more often in and for terminal use.

    • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz
      391·
      22 days ago

      Yeah. Plus they immediately got a reply from someone showing where you can turn it off in settings.

  • deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de
    501·
    22 days ago

    I was very annoyed when I got this, but remembered that it’s KDE, and turning it off is 4 clicks. Proprietary software often doesn’t allow you to turn this off (easily). Windows has this “feature”, where is the setting?

    I don’t think it’s a productive “feature”, but considering it can be turned off so easily I don’t consider it a complete showstopper.

      • atzanteol@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        10·
        22 days ago

        This! KDE’s settings are a mess to navigate. I completely understand why that person didn’t know there even was a configuration for this.

    • mriswith@lemmy.worldEnglish
      102·
      22 days ago

      Windows has this “feature”, where is the setting?

      I assume youre talking about W11?

      Because the “Show recently added apps” setting is third option in the start menu settings on W10.

      • deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de
        7·
        22 days ago

        The main issue is UX imo. On Windows 11, it’s “5 clicks”, but you have to open the settings app and find the setting two submenus deep. On KDE, it’s right click > configure application launcher > toggle setting > apply.

        • mriswith@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          21 days ago

          Yeah, for some reason they’ve seemed to made it harder to find the actual start menu settings instead of more generic taskbar settings. So that’s a fair point.

    • nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz
      4·
      22 days ago

      It sounds like the author of the article is more concerned with the incentive it creates for developers to push useless or sloppy updates (“impact driven development”) than the UX.

      • Ferk@lemmy.ml
        10·
        22 days ago

        How does this give incentive for that?

        My understanding is that this only happens in newly installed apps, not recently updates ones. They are only highlighted because the user installed them, not because the developer did anything.

        It’s a screenshot of the application launcher, the menu to launch apps already installed, not the software store.

    • IAmTheKernelError@piefed.socialEnglish
      241·
      22 days ago

      He said “I’ll donate 100 EUR if you remove”, so I think he may be obligated to donate every single time this option is disabled.

  • Cas@pawb.socialEnglish
    281·
    22 days ago

    I’m glad there’s a toggle, it seems like it would actually be useful here but I’d probably turn it off.

    With that said, there’s a special place in hell for the multitudes of apps that have red notification dots all over the UI with no clear indicator as to what they’re about or how to clear them :D

    • Deebster@programming.dev
      7·
      22 days ago

      Yeah, I hate those little dots and I inevitably jump through the hoops until I’ve clicked enough things to make them go away.

  • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
    271·
    22 days ago

    Thing like this are why there’s a million settings in KDE; every dev is prepared for the inevitable “but I hate it, make it go away” complaint. Granted, this complainer was pretty respectful and threw in a donation to soften the blow. Most people just act entitled, like the dev personally affronted them with their update.

  • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
    142·
    22 days ago

    I find this complaint very strange. It’s a dot. It helps people find what they installed.

    But if this person doesn’t need it, how would they ever see it? Most power users I know never even look in the menu, so they would never know there is a dot in the first place.

    • DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world
      24·
      21 days ago

      It’s all a show. Some people are just desperate for attention. “Oh, look at me, I’m OCD” as if that makes them cool or something. This person just spent €100 for literally nothing (glad it went to kde of course). Being annoyed by this is, IMHO, very stupid. It’s a menu that can’t even stay open. Who’s sitting there sifting their menu all day long that this bothers them? 😂

  • HelloRoot@lemy.lolEnglish
    11·
    22 days ago

    There is a setting, but I was equally annoyed that it is on by default.

    Even more surprising - when I launched the new app miltiple times, it was still marked as new.

    • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz
      31·
      22 days ago

      It’s probably time based.

      And this kind of thing isn’t for the type of people who mess with settings. If this defaulted to off, then it would actually be useless.

      • HelloRoot@lemy.lolEnglish
        5·
        22 days ago

        If this defaulted to off, then it would actually be useless.

        Would just be the other way around with what posts you see online. Instead of OP you’d see “how can I find my newly installed apps” and the same “ahem” screenshot reply.

        • vandsjov@feddit.dk
          3·
          22 days ago

          Except that if people don’t know the feature exists, they might not ask about it. If you see the feature exists and you don’t want it, it is easier to figure out how to turn it off.

          There are many feature that are turned on by default - this is just one of them.

          • HelloRoot@lemy.lolEnglish
            1·
            22 days ago

            I see plenty of posts here, on the kde matrix, on the kde forums, on the bugtracker asking for non existing features.

            I have no clue about the exact percentages, their motivations or feelings, so it’s hard to conclude anything.

            Personally, I more often ask for nonexistent features (and i feel no barriers there) than turning off something that is on by default - which is a good sign I guess?

            • vandsjov@feddit.dk
              2·
              19 days ago

              But you don’t see all the people that does not ask for features, but could benefit from them. I worked IT support for years and I often suggested features or different workflow to users because I could see they were doing things that could be done easier.

  • DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world
    72·
    21 days ago

    I’ll never understand why this “new/green dot” thing exist, but I’ll also never understand why it would bother anyone. lol. Like, it’s in kick-off. How often are you scrolling through kick-off? Does anyone keep that menu open at all times that it triggers your OCD seeing it? Am I missing something? Or is it just people seeking attention?

    • limelight79@lemmy.world
      61·
      21 days ago

      When I install a new application, I generally run it immediately. Having the new indicator might be nice to help find it - they don’t always drop into the menu where I expect.

      I agree, I can’t see why it upsets the author so much. “You’ve installed a new app, here it is.” “YYYEEEAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!”

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
      41·
      21 days ago

      “Go edit the source” is starting to look like the new “let them eat cake”.

      How quickly you trivialize the work of the experienced kde devs that some pedestrian can wander in and mod a large project without fear.

  • Grass@sh.itjust.works
    41·
    22 days ago

    I know 3 people that get mad at me when I don’t clear the dot for new inventory/lore items in video game menus by scrolling over each one

  • Aristotelis@lemmy.ml
    22·
    21 days ago

    Are you trying to bribe the devs to remove a harmless feature that can get turned off with two clicks?! Seriously??