Linux desktop will, most likely, fail for: […]

• Developers and sysadmins, because not everyone is using Docker and Github actions to deploy applications to some proprietary cloud solution. Finding a properly working FTP/SFTP/FTPS desktop client (similar WinSCP or Cyberduck) is an impossible task as there a few, but they all fail even at basic stuff like dragging and dropping a file.

This can’t be serious.

Basically all this is bs. The truth is: switching os’ is always hard but if you grow up with one(like me who started with linux and didnt try windows until the age of 15) and only use that one ecosystem its easier. Also according to my grandma(her laptop was really slow so we tried linux on it) manjaro is easier to use than windows…

Laptop computers have made significant strides, and in 2023, they’re better than ever. However, there are still individuals perpetuating a delusion: That a powerful gaming laptop is as user-friendly and productive as the Apple iPad, which is what everyone should obviously be using. After a few discussions on Lemmy, I believe it’s important to provide a clear review of where these fancy “laptop” computers fall short as daily drivers for normal people like me.

PC gaming laptops will, most, likely, fail, for:

• People who need the App Store
• People that want everything to work exactly like it does on the iPad
• Anyone who wants a simple way to install Angry Birds without trying to use needlessly complicated things such as a mouse and keyboard
• Apple apps that won’t run because you bought a non-Apple laptop
• The performance overhead of that extra complexity costs at least 5-15% of what you’d otherwise expect from such a powerful machine
• People who need to run FaceTime and whose friends won’t consider any alternatives outside the Apple way of life
• Serious scientific labs with policies that require iPad-only data acquisition
• Musicians, artists, and customer service agents who’ve built their whole careers around iPad-only software
• Developers and sysadmins, because you’re probably administering Apple systems for which the iPad is indispensible

Laptop computers are great, I love them but I don’t sugar coat it and I’m not delusional like you.

If one lives in a bubble and doesn’t to collaborate with other Apple iPad users then PC latop apps might work and might even deliver a decent workflow. But once you’ve got to work with other iPad users it’s “game over” — the “alternatives” just aren’t up to it.

iPads aren’t that expensive and they work right out of the box. Software runs fine, everything on the App Store is supported whatever you’re trying to do and you’ll be productive from day zero. There are annoyances from time to time, sure, but they’re way fewer and simpler to deal with than the hoops you’ve to go through to get a minimal and viable/productive laptop computer experience.

It all comes down to a question of how much time (days? months? aeons?) you want to spend fiddling with a mouse and keyboard to set up things which simply work out of the box on the Apple iPad for a minimal fee. Buy an iPad! You know it’s the only sensible thing to do and the ROI will be fantastic!

You can buy a second-hand iPad for around €4 that comes with everything you’ll need. And every iPad comes with IOS for no extra charge, so why wait? Buy it! Buy it now!

“They hated him because he spoke the truth. I can’t even get “simple” apps like Apple iMove to run on my PC. And there’s some kind of “video card driver” that needs “updating”? No sane person could ever cope with this. No amount of googling or even the fabled tech support genuis of “chatgpt” was able to help me. It just won’t work. This whole Internet is delusional, if they think that laptop computers are usable for the average Joe and I’m an Apple iPad expert so I know what I’m talking about. It’s too much hassle. I just want to get things done.” — Average Joe

Still thinking that 2023 is the year of the laptop computer? Think again. The Apple iPad is all the computing you will ever need.

People who need MS Office because once you have to collaborate with others Open/Libre/OnlyOffice won’t cut it;

The average user doesn’t need specifically MS Office. But if they do, they do.

password manager via flatpak only

Use (always) your package manager. The trend of using Flatpak has severe downsides as you pointed out.

Virtualbox […] GNOME Boxes

Use libvirt and the virt-manager UI

Adobe apps won’t run properly

Might as well be the case. I haven’t tried.

Gamers because of the reasons above plus a flat 5-15% performance hit

My experience is the other way around.

old software / games because not even those will run properly on Wine

Old games don’t run on a recent Windows either. I’ve tried.

electrical engineers as typical toolsets

If you need specific proprietary tools, you might need Windows or Wine. Depends on the specific use-case. But the ‘average user’ we’re talking about isn’t an electrical engineer. If you’re a student, try KiCad it’s not Eagle but it is something.

specialized hardware

You need specialized software along with the specialized hardware. Again, more niche than ‘average user’.

AutoCAD isn’t available

Same. If you need special software, you need special software. It’s arguable if the ‘average user’ needs exactly that. Special needs might render Linux unusable in your situation.

Finding a properly working FTP/SFTP/FTPS desktop client

My file manager does this. And it’s more like the windows people do their webdev. I rarely work like this. I don’t have a need for WinSCP on my desktop but webdev works fine.

Why do most people use Linux instead of Windows to host their servers, then? Why is almost all of the web powered by Linux if Windows is better? All the devs and sysops wrong? AWS? Almost all cloud services?

Software runs fine, all vendors support whatever you’re trying to do and you’ll be productive from day zero.

Really? I need to throw away printers because people update their Windows and the printer has no drivers available for the new Windows version. Printers stop after a service pack got rolled out and need fixing. People have Ransomware sent to them. Graphics drivers and sound drivers sometimes do silly stuff and don’t detect the headphone plug properly. HDMI doesn’t switch over to the projector. All sorts of small annoyances and they happen regularly.

It all comes down to a question of how much time (days? months?) you want spend fixing things on Linux

Agree. If you learned Windows and have no idea of Linux, you’d have to learn this now. It takes time. If you had learned Linux, you’d know where the logfiles are and you’d struggle with Windows. Sometimes learning new things (properly) is a good things. Sometimes you can’t be bothered or lack time to do it.

TL:DR; the Linux experience might be great but it isn’t for everyone and anyone. If you need to do your job without small annoyances that will curb your productivity it isn’t, most likely, for you.

The ‘average user’ doesn’t need all the specific tools in exactly that version. The average user needs an office suite and a browser, not Eagle and Adobe. If you live in one ecosystem and have to share stuff with your colleagues, you live in that ecosystem. I agree. I have far less issues with my linux machines and debugging is so much easier with them than the Windows machines and servers I had. It’s sometimes been days of trial and error to tackle problems there while Linux usually has good debug messages available instead of ‘Error 33492, program closed.’

The average user needs a stable and user-respecting system that get’s out of the way. They need Office, a browser, E-Mail, a network-share and a working printer. All the specific tools and WinSCPs and so on are additional knowledge you learned during your times with Windows, while the average user struggles with their Antivirus. I agree, it’s more complicated for you if you have 10+ years of windows experience and now try to apply it 1:1 to Linux. It doesn’t work this way.

(My general advice is: If you want it 100% like Windows: Use Windows.)

Windows licenses are cheap and you get things working out of the box. Software runs fine, all vendors support whatever you’re trying to do and you’ll be productive from day zero. There are annoyances from time to time, sure, but they’re way fewer and simpler to deal with than the hoops you’ve to go through to get a minimal and viable/productive Linux desktop experience.

It all comes down to a question of how much time (days? months?) you want spend fixing things on Linux that simply work out of the box under Windows for a minimal fee. Buy a Windows license and spend the time you would’ve spent dealing with Linux issues doing your actual job and you’ll, most likely, get a better ROI.

This is wild lol.

On my dual-boot machine, I once had to spend an hour on the phone with Microsoft because I put in a new GPU and Windows decided that meant it was installed on the wrong PC and locked me out of it.

I’ve had my printer for years and it still doesn’t work properly on Windows. It prints, but it fucks up in subtle ways constantly such as setting the print scale to 100% which prints slightly larger. My SO prints sewing patterns so this can actually be a big fuck up.

I had to do a registry edit in Windows to get the fucking clock to display the correct time.

It can’t even turn off properly. About 40% of the time when I shut it down from Windows it’ll wait about 30 seconds and then turn back on again.

When I boot it from Linux, none of these things are issues and it just behaves like a normal computer.