cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/48813307
!!! IF YOU ARE AN EU CITIZEN, PLEASE DO THE FOLLOWING FORM !!!
https://fightchatcontrol.eu/#contact-tool
Be especially sure to select your home country’s permanent representation in the Committee, but selecting everyone the website proposes is a very good idea (and done by default).
Raise your voices and flood their inbox, this might be the last chance we ever get
Just sent it, thanks for the reminder. Sent it before too an one representative actually responded which was nice.
I don’t get it. If an email was encrypted with PGP between a friend and myself, how would anyone else without the private keys be able to decrypt it?
They can’t, but that is not the purpose. If the chat control passes then all big services will be forced to leave EU or build in a backdoor. That will give them control over more than 90 % of the population and satisfies their goal. You and your friends are a rounding error. And if you would perform a crime, or are suspected of one, they can use the fact that you encrypt your messages against you.
Lol what a crock
“outlaws anonymous communication” - This sends chills down me more than anything else I can remember. The people and organisations that benefit from this can’t be trusted.
The only thing this does is control the law abiding public. Criminals are already breaking the law, and won’t care. It is trivial to build an anonymous communication app. There will always be a workaround.
Anonymity, and free speak should be human rights.
Wasn’t banishing anonymous communication literally what the bad guys in Mirror’s Edge did? And facilitating that anonymous communication was literally the entire livelihood of the protagonist’s faction?
“Outlaws anonymous communication by requiring every citizen to verify their age…”
To me that reads similarly to age restricted websites asking you to verify your age before accessing it, where you just input a date that says you’re old enough and then you’re set. I’ve been 99 years old for the last decade. Given what they’re trying to do, I wouldn’t be surprised if they use more extensive verification measures, but I haven’t read into that yet. If it’s just an age/DOB input, then it’s not really outlawing anything.
Everything good at Denmark? Why the fuck are your politicians pushing this into the EU council?
Because Denmark holds the rotating EU presidency, Denmark is literally required by treaty to work towards compromise when the council cannot agree. If it wasn’t Denmark doing this work, it would be another country holding the EU presidency doing it.
It’s not really about Denmark - it’s about the entire council agreeing with a compromise the presidency has to seek.
It was voted out, that’s it. Nobody forced the danes to re-introduce the matter, especially when it was done with subterfuge.
because when you have fourteen parties there’s bound to be at least a few fascists hiding behind the curtains. the real problem is that there’s not legislation that prevents this dude from retracting and resubmitting it when it looks like it’s gonna fail
It seemed like such a reasonable country 12 months ago.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ok, the website says that Germany already opposes it. Is that outdated or what? I don’t want to spam MEPs if they already agree with me.
Spam them regardless. You want them to stay where they are and to argue firmly. Especially coming from Germany when talking about the evil of the surveillance state.
Back in the Merkel-era if Germany opposes it was over.
Still can’t fucking believe Denmark, my country, supports this. Yeah, it got revised thanks to Denmark, but it shouldn’t be revised, it should be killed.
Denmark not only supports it, it’s the one country that pushes the hardest for it, and did from the start. Which seems weird from my German perspective, because I wouldn’t exactly associate Denmark with a police-state, quite the opposite actually, especially compared to Germany.
the europeans on lemmy continue to insist that americans are ahead of the fascism game; but we still don’t have chat control and have only elected one fascist so far. lol
but we still don’t have chat control
Who needs chat control when you have the Patriot Act and PRISM?
I think electing him twice should count for something.
that’s fair. lol
At much harder the second time.
Every single swing county supposedly went the same way, there’s a county in New York where Harris supposedly had zero votes- despite locals claiming they did.
Alot of sus
Mate, USA is way ahead in fascism. EU isn’t openly disappear / deporting people yet. EU has healthcare, mostly.
Pretty sure fascist already broke off the UK. While I will agree the US is ahead, it is everywhere already.
This is a worldwide problem unfortunately.
This is the moment when “Socialism or Barbarity” is decided. We can either organize, and throw off the chains of capitalism, or we can succumb to the fascist order that the owning class wants.
You absolutely are ahead of the fascist game, so far ahead that your billionaires are funding European fascists and emboldening them.
our billionaires are also funding the protests again them; one of the walmart heirs is entire responsible for the noking protests.
Only one? Do all if the bootlickers in the house and the senate, as well as JD vance not count?
While we have problems here in Europe and they’re concerning, the US really has this shit on a whole 'nother level. The NSA more or less has ALL the data that enters or exits the country and probably most of what goes around public networks (so just about any ISP) within the country. Your Lemmy instance is hosted in France and from your comment I infer that you’re American (so likely situated in the US), so most likely the communication between you and the instance is all recorded and stored at 33 Thomas Street. They’re just storing everything so they can decrypt it if quantum computing breaks existing algorithms. Then there’s all the tooling the CIA and NSA have built to spy on everyone who has any even somewhat insecure smart device.
Denmark is trying to legislate all this into happening, the US just ignores legislation when something actually disagrees with their spying
Barring civilians from using encryption and software deemed dangerous is a new level imo. These are the tools we have to fight this stuff, maintaining those rights is a big deal.
Oh I agree. If encryption becomes illegal I may actually move to another freaking continent. I have nothing to hide, but I am still not willing to compromise on privacy and security.
it’s not that they’re ignoring it; is that the legistlation doesn’t address buying it from non-government agencies and probably on purpose.
Name one world leader except Trump that can make the stock market crash by speaking… :)
We dont have any big leaders in Europe that most people know by name even.
Its all talk about Trump, Musk, Zuckerberg over here too. Like mini America. There is nobody here who is saying anything people care about. We dont even know their names.
We dont even know their names.
that’s surprising to learn since the likes of farage, le pen have & hocke heavily influencing politics in the uk, france & germinay and meloni winning her election in italy.
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Crazy that this got censored.
Find me a white bus driver in Copenhagen, I’ll wait.
Want me to start counting? I could start with the 8 bus drivers I went to kursus with at Langsøhus.
Denmark is one of the fascist cores of the EU and sells its influence to the US in exchange for preferential treatment.
Yes, that’s why we were so glad to give away Greenland to the US. Oh wait…
Silkeborg == Copenhagen
It’s a 3F kursus centre. Nobody who went there came from Silkeborg. We were mostly from København and Aarhus.
And we still didn’t sell Greenland to the Americans.
A populace in which it is politically safe to even float this suggestion is weak.
the way things are going Europeans are gonna have to start fleeing to China to get a semblance of free speech 🤣
I’m tired, boss.
On your feet, comrade. This is no place to die.
So am I, but they are not.
I feel you
they won’t stop until they are deposed.
Why is this specifically relevant to Linux users?
Well,
- controlling end-to-end encrypted messages is only possible if either the keys/certificates are not secret (which is possible with TLS), or the software on the end-users device is not controlled any more by the user (but perhaps by law enforcement, or companies). This overturns the basis of any FLOSS software system where trust is based on transparency and user control.
- age verification will typically done by a form of attestation, a highly problematic concept. Again, this would require to run software on the users device which can’t be controlled by him or her, which is deceptively called “trusted computing”. (Technically, age verification could be done by other means, but this is not what these proposals aim for).
- in the world of public-key cryptography, which is what TLS , GnuPG, and most other modern systems are based in, encryption and digital signatures are nothing but two sides of the same coin: Who breaks encryption keys necessarily also breaks signature keys. This means it is not possible any more to sign software such as the Linux kernel, or Email clients, or browser packages. Or even banking apps or bootloaders for smart phones. Which means to give control away to the entities, groups or induviduals controlling these keys. Ironically, this will make computing lot less safe, and also undermine trust in communication networks, because communication where we can’t be sure that the communicated symbols are genuine is for humans as worthless as the numbers on fake money. (As a corollary, it is also bad for business: All business is based on some amount of trust. Would you do important business with somebody if the only communication channel you have happens to be a messanger which is a compulsory liar?)
To sum up, this is a massive transfer of control.
him or her
Just say them
@HaraldvonBlauzahn This is the most clear and concise technical summary detailing the dangers of EU Chat Control so far. Thank you.
These politicians really aren’t afraid of those they were elected to represent…
For their sake I hope they stop this FAFO, before more damage is done.
Un-fucking-believable 😡
Who do we need to kill?
Everybody. Fucking everybody.
#GuillotineParty
if i’m not an eu citizen, what can i do to help
Will this actually happen with 9 member states opposing? I thought they need every memeber state to support it?
All that means it’s that it won’t become EU-wide, could still become applied in those “Yes” voters off their own initiatives
