There are many Christian denominations out there. The nutty ones tend to be not in Europe. The German non Catholics are very progressive. The German Catholics are rather progressive. The church of Mormons is quite regressive. The Amish are weird. American televangelists preach hate and tithe. I cannot speak for Australia since I know very little about you guys.
There are Jehovah’s witnesses in Germany, but they are not too obnoxious.
B/c a main point of jesus was pointing out how those old laws are worthless.
Christianity continued this tradition by obviating all those old laws like circumcision, no pork, misogyny, etc. That’s literally why christians don’t follow that stuff. It was rejected like thousands of years ago.
The people who still worship the old testament are mostly jews and phony christians/cultists.
The new testament is full of heinous shit too though. Jesus (who, don’t forget, is still the same vengeful, angry old testament God) condones rape, violence, and killing all throughout it, but says “love thy neighbor” once and everyone thinks he’s gentle as a lamb.
“I come not to bring peace, but a sword” - Matthew 10:34
It’s not. You must understand the virtues displayed. And apply them. The wording is not special. We aren’t even reading the original text and cannot speak the old languages with their context of the time of writing without undue effort.
The Bible is full of self-contradictions, so for any interpretive framework to be at least self-coherent, the interpreter has to “add to the Word of God”.
I think you guys may be using different definitions of what it means to act like a christian. If you disagree on that then you’ll just keep arguing past each other.
When you refer to acting like a christian that seems to mean acting christ-like, or at least striving to, which makes sense.
The other usage I’m seeing, and which is probably more prevalent in societal/political discussions, is that being like a christian means being lily the actual group of humans who use that label, which often has nothing to do with christ-likedness other than in name.
Cherry picking quotes from the Bible is about the least Christian thing you can do.
And yet it’s pretty much all they use it for.
If by “least christian” you mean “just about the only thing all christians do”.
Very America pilled. Just because you got the nut job immigrants that we persecuted for their faith doesn’t mean all are like that.
Im not american… good on you for just assuming though.
Colonial pilled, sorry. You guys have it worse when it comes to nut job sects.
Edit: in particular the people with German heritage are terrible. Sorry guys.
The important thing is you’ve got a shorthand to make sure you can dismiss any opinion you disagree with.
It would be a tragedy to do otherwise.
There are many Christian denominations out there. The nutty ones tend to be not in Europe. The German non Catholics are very progressive. The German Catholics are rather progressive. The church of Mormons is quite regressive. The Amish are weird. American televangelists preach hate and tithe. I cannot speak for Australia since I know very little about you guys.
There are Jehovah’s witnesses in Germany, but they are not too obnoxious.
Ok, not sure why you felt the need to twll me this. But i appreciate the enthusiasm.
But why tho? Isn’t reading Bible and understanding what it says big part of it?
B/c a main point of jesus was pointing out how those old laws are worthless.
Christianity continued this tradition by obviating all those old laws like circumcision, no pork, misogyny, etc. That’s literally why christians don’t follow that stuff. It was rejected like thousands of years ago.
The people who still worship the old testament are mostly jews and phony christians/cultists.
Are trying to say Timothy 2:12 is old testament?
This is New Testament!
The new testament is full of heinous shit too though. Jesus (who, don’t forget, is still the same vengeful, angry old testament God) condones rape, violence, and killing all throughout it, but says “love thy neighbor” once and everyone thinks he’s gentle as a lamb.
“I come not to bring peace, but a sword” - Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:17
Not really. The message is love and forgiveness and inclusion. Egality.
And also the opposite of all those things.
This seems to be a ‘no true Scotsman’ argument.
It’s not. You must understand the virtues displayed. And apply them. The wording is not special. We aren’t even reading the original text and cannot speak the old languages with their context of the time of writing without undue effort.
The virtue is to not let a woman teach or have authority over a man. It is New Testament. There is no mis translation.
Seems about right.
Where are you quoting from?
Somewhere up there 😇
I think you guys may be using different definitions of what it means to act like a christian. If you disagree on that then you’ll just keep arguing past each other.
When you refer to acting like a christian that seems to mean acting christ-like, or at least striving to, which makes sense.
The other usage I’m seeing, and which is probably more prevalent in societal/political discussions, is that being like a christian means being lily the actual group of humans who use that label, which often has nothing to do with christ-likedness other than in name.
No it isn’t.
Not unless you cherry pick quotes.
Matthew 10 is one of my favourites
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
You love your family? Straight to hell with you! Jesus is jealous
You’re talking about the gospels maybe, not the bible.
Sounds like you are gatekeeping Christianity.
Some things must be gate kept to be preserved. One cannot allow hatred when acceptance is the goal.
The only way you can come to the conclusion that “acceptance is the goal” of the Bible is by cherry picking from it.
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